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  • From: "Rolf Furuli" <furuli AT online.no>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Tenses and aspects; was: footnotes
  • Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:51:25 +0100

Dear Brian,

I have no problem in seeing that BMQM constitutes the setting of Hosea 1:9(10), including c) "it will be said (YIQTOL) to them". Nontheless, according to the method I use for grammatical analysis BMQM is not a part of c), because it does not graphically occur in that clause.

You are of course free to use the method for analysis that you choose, but by including in the clause elements that graphically are outside the clause, the points of reference for what a sentence initial verb is becomes blurred. And I am afraid that this may open the way for circularity. For example, if the theory is that sentence initial YIQTOLs always are volitional in some sense, a YIQTOL that graphically occurs after a strong accent and which seems to have an indicative force, can be discarded as a counter-example, because elements from the context can be said to be implied in first position.

I will use Deuteronomy 32:10 as an example. On the basis of the definition of a clause that I have given I find four clauses in this verse, all with sentence initial YIQTOLs. The setting here is the wilderness, and if we are free to introduce the setting (the wilderness) into the first position in each clause, there are no sentence initial YIQTOLs, even though strong accents occur before three of the YIQTOLs. I am afraid that by such a loose method we will find sentence initial YIQTOLs only in clauses where they are expected to be, according to the theory.

a) In the winderness he found him (sent. YIQTOL), in the empty and howling desert.

b) He encircled him (sent. YIQTOL);

d) he cared for him (sent. YIQTOL);

d) he garded him (sent. YIQTOL) as the pupil of his eye,

Best regards

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo

----- Original Message ----- From: "B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Tenses and aspects; was: footnotes


Hi Rolf,

Nope. bimqom "in a place" belongs with your clause c.

Shalom,
Bryan

Rolf Furuli wrote:
Dear Bryan,

Now I realize that we use the concept clause-initial (I have used
sentence-initial with the same meaning) very differently. For me a
clause-initial verb is one that begins a clause with no element preceding. I
use the term "clause" in the normal sense: "a syntagm that contains subject
and verbal ( implicit or explicit verbal)". Basically I find that this
definition accords with Masoretic pointing. Above )TM, the word before the
YIQTOL we are discussing, we find a zaqef qaton, which is a strong accent.
This marks the end of the previous clause, as I see it.

In 3) I find four clauses:

a) "In the place where it was said (YIQTOL) to them" verbal clause
b) "`You are not my people,`" nominal clause
c) "it will be said (YIQTOL) to them" verbal clause
d) "`The sons of the living God`" nominal clause with implicit "you are"


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