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  • From: "Rolf Furuli" <furuli AT online.no>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Tenses and aspects; was: footnotes
  • Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:05:02 +0100

Dear Bryan,

The subject and verb of a clause may occur outside the clause in modern languages, and that is possible in classical Hebrew as well, though to a lesser extent, because Hebrew clauses generally are simple. The requirement of being a clause is the existence of a subject and a verbal. If we think that a syntagm is a clause, and subject or verbal is lacking, we look for them outside the clause. But when we have such elements in the syntagm, we are satisfied.

In Hosea 1:9(19)c we have a subject and an object, and the clause gives sense without more grammatical elements. So, why should we look for an adverbial outside the clause in order to fill the first position of the clause? If you have an English clause that gives sense, and which have a subject and an object, would you then look for extra adverbials outside the clause? I think that only when the lexical meaning of the words and the context clearly shows that words outside a clause should serve as an adverbial inside the clause, then you will make that analysis.

In Hosea we have a setting, BMQM, but there is no grammatical or syntactic reason to view this setting as a grammatical element in c), thus transferring it to c). The point is not that it is impossible for a grammatical element of a clause in Hebrew to graphically occur outside the clause. But such occurrences are rare, and they should be perefectly clear before they can be accepted. My main objection to your analysis of a sentence initial adverebial in c) is that it is driven by theory and not by necessity.


Best regards

Rolf Furuli
University of oslo

----- Original Message ----- From: "B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Tenses and aspects; was: footnotes



Rolf,

Really...to analyze grammar based on the way something looks on the
page? I honestly have never heard of such a thing.

Read some Wm. Faulkner sometime. The subject and verb of a clause may
be separated by a hundred words, a dozen commas, and a few semi-colons
and dashes thrown in for good measure.

Shalom,
Bryan

Rolf Furuli wrote:

according to the method I use for grammatical analysis BMQM is not a part of
c), because it does not graphically occur in that clause.


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