Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

Of the top of my head the fact that large portions of Daniel 
are written in Aramaic show that this shift had began. Also 
Jesus use of Aramaic shows it was either used in his day or 
he was just using loanwords. And finally, aren't some of the 
apocryphal writings after the exile written in a strain of 
Aramaic? (I haven't read them and so I'm just going of secondary 
sources)

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From: Ken Penner [mailto:pennerkm AT mcmaster.ca]
Sent: Fri 7/22/2005 7:34 PM
To: Read, James C
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Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Aramaic - Abba
 
James wrote:

> I can't remember my sources but I thought it was quite plain 
> that in this period Aramaic had firmly supplanted the Hebrew 
> language in everyday use. This is a change which commenced with 
> the exile of the Jehudans in Babylonia and in the days of Ye$ua 
> had already taken a firm root.

I would be very interested in the primary sources you would use to argue
this point, or even secondary literature written since the discovery of the
Dead Sea Scrolls.

Ken Penner


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You don't have to tell someone to stop doing something unless they are
doing it.  Our search for the meaning of Abba on the lips of Jesus is a
dead end- because at the end of the day, we have no way of knowing if
Jesus used the word or if it was placed in his mouth by writers who
thought it an efficacious word to use in prayer.

Read James C wrote:

> > 1) there were
> >christians who HAD magic books and used them, and 2) they were led to a
> >better understanding of prayer then they previously held (which means
> >that previously they held that prayer and magic were interrelated).
> >Acts itself proves my contention.
>
>
> The way I understood it is that after converting to Christianity they
> understood that the use of these books was bad. The books were of
> great value but they didn't sell them because this would perpetuate
> the evil. So instead at great expense they burned them and this, to
> me (and I think most people) shows that the early christians were
> very much against the use of magic.
>

Jim

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