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  • From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Aramaic - Abba
  • Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:05:22 -0500

Dear Jim,

Read James C wrote:

I think it is possible to find books which support just
about every thought in the world conceivable. But it is clear
from the ancient writings what their opinions were on these
things, whether a person accepts them as authentic or not.
Putting magic overtones on the declaration which was clearly
directed to the El $aDai of the hebrew bible is ludicrous at
best and can only be entertained by lovers of controversy.


That is certainly true. Even the position which suggests that the red
letter bible contains the very words, in king james english, that jesus
spoke. Further, that Acts has to say that christians (!) took their
magical books and burned them means at least two things- 1) there were
christians who HAD magic books and used them, and 2) they were led to a
better understanding of prayer then they previously held (which means
that previously they held that prayer and magic were interrelated).
Acts itself proves my contention.

HH: My impression has always been that these were people brought to faith by the spectacle of the demons jumping on the Jewish exorcists (Acts 19:14-16). This news spread to everyone, bringing honor to Christ's name and causing many to believe. So these were probably new converts, and their magical books related to their lives before they had faith in Christ:

Acts 19:17 And this became known to all the Jews and also the Greeks living at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Acts 19:18 And many who had believed came, and confessed, and announced their practices.
Acts 19:19 And a considerable number of those practicing magic brought their books together and burned them before everyone. And they counted their value and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

Paul had come to a relatively unevangelized Ephesus. The only disciples mentioned at first were twelve disciples of John the Baptist.

Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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Dear Peter

Well, there are several apparently Aramaic words recorded in
transliteration in Mark's gospel, e.g. TALIQA in 5:41 and SABACQANI in
15:34 (Q = theta, C = chi), and an apparently Hebrew one, ELWI = Elohi
in 15:34 (W = omega). Translations into Greek are given for all of them,
just as for "Abba". One interpretation is that Jesus was always speaking
Aramaic. Another is that Jesus was normally speaking Hebrew which was
translated into Greek, and the few Aramaic words preserved are preserved
to show their distinctively Aramaic nature.


HH: Another source that thinks Mark 15:34 involves Aramaic is the NET Bible. Here is a note that it has on the verse:

sn Perhaps the crowd thought Jesus was calling for Elijah because the exclamation "my God, my God" (i.e., in Aramaic, Eloi, Eloi) sounds like the name Elijah.

Yours,
Harold Holmyard







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