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  • From: Alexander Oldernes <alexander AT oldernes.no>
  • To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Questions about YHWH
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:35:35 +0200

Peter Kirk wrote:
> A huge range of views on the divine name can be found on the Internet,
> some unfortunately based on incorrect facts and bad argumentation.

What you say is true.
But I'm not so sure you can say this about what professor Gertoux is writing.
Have you actually read his book? There is not many who know more about the
tetragrammaton than he does.

I was about to quote page 144 of his book, but I see that Donnelly already
has done it.
I will still make a quotation since I include some more information from that
page...

QUOTE:

This complex system of multiple qeres produced numerous errors within the
same codex. For example, in the codex B19a, which is considered by
specialists to be one of the best copies, there are seven different pointings
of the Tetragram. The most frequent error is the transformation of the vowels
e, a of the qere into e, o, a (Gn 3:14 9:26 18:17; Ex 3:2 13:3,9,12,15
14:1,8; Lv 23:34 25:17; Dt 31:27 32:9 33:12,13; 1S 1:11; 1K 3:5; Jr 2:37
3:1,21,22,23,25 4:1,3,4,8; 5:2,3,9,18,19,22,29; 6:9; 8:13 30:10 36:8; Ezk
33:23 44:5 46:13; Os 10:3; Na 1:3; Ml 3:23; Ps 15:1 40:5 47:6 100:5 116:5,6;
Pr 1:29), or the vowels e, i into e, o, i (1K 2:26; Is 50:4; Jr 1:6 7:20; Ezk
2:4 3:11,27 5:5 8:1 12:10 13:16 14:21,23 16:36 17:9 20:39 21:33 22:31 23:32
24:6,14; 26:21 28:2 30:22 33:25 35:11 36:2 39:17 43:27 46:16; Za 9:14; Ps
73:28).

QERE ADONAY ÈLOHIM
usual hw:hy³ (e, ,a) hwIhy³ (e, ,i)
Gn 3:14 h/:hy³ (e,o,a) hwIhyO (è, ,i) Gn 15:2, 8
Ps 144:15 hw:hy} (a, ,a) h/Ihy³ (e,o,i) 1K 2:26
h/IhyO (è,o,i) Jg 16:28

The situation is identical for other codices. The most frequent error is
the transformation e, a into e, o, a, thus the changing of the form YeHWaH
into YeHoWaH, which one finds in the Aleppo codex (Ezk 3:13; etc.) and in the
Or4445 codex (Ex 16:7; 40:29; etc.) These errors are very old and can be
observed on reproductions of biblical fragments (P. Kahle - Masoreten des
Westens Stuttgart 1927 Ed. V.V.W. Kohlhammer p. 17/1 sheet 930 p.19/3 sheet
946 p.24/8 sheet 1017) dated between 700 and 900. Something that doubtless
facilitated this kind of error, in spite of the scrupulous attention of the
copyists, was the presence of a sign of cantillation, the rebia, which was
very difficult to differentiate from the point representing the vowel o. So,
from the twelfth to the fifteenth century CE the qere e, a (kept by the
present BHS) changed into e, o, a (kept by the former BHK) which would become
the standard qere in Jewish Bibles.

END OF QUOTE

I'm not arguing in favour of professor Gertoux, I just want to encourage to
read this book before arguing against it.

Alexander Oldernes


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
To: "Alexander Oldernes" <alexander AT oldernes.no>
Cc: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Questions about YHWH


> On 16/07/2005 12:17, Alexander Oldernes wrote:
>
>>... In
>>actual fact, before 1100 CE , the Tetragram has been pointed with only the
>>two vowels e, a of the Aramaic word Shema which means "The Name".The vowel
>>o
>>appeared, after 1100 CE , owing to the influence of the reading of the word
>>Adonay.
>>
>>
>
> In actual fact, this is untrue. In Codex Leningradensis from around 1000
> CE, a small minority of instances of the divine name are pointed with
> holam over the middle.
>
> A huge range of views on the divine name can be found on the Internet,
> some unfortunately based on incorrect facts and bad argumentation.
>
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