Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

Yitzhak Sapir <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com> wrote, in part: 

> 
..." In
asking ourselves the question "When did the MT Former Prophets
exist?", we must answer, "we only know that by the 2nd century
BCE or 1st century BCE at the latest, that the Former Prophets
existed." This is because of the various translations,...."

  If one reads Yishayahu, Yirmiyahu etc. one cannot but come accross various 
concrete refrences to historical events in their time, involving  Neo 
Assyrian and Neo Babylonian events, apart from the names of kings under whom 
they prophesized.

 By Hellenistic time we have not a scintilla of evidence that anyone was 
familiar with cuneiform in Judea.The historical material preserved with the 
prophets does not seem to be contested by anyone, except you Yitzhak, and I 
see no need to belabor the point.

 The Mishanh, completed by c. 200 CE, is of course based on biblical texts, 
these are MT texts,   -- by all means check with Tuv.

  Uri

 



                
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On 13/04/2005 14:14, Ingrid Hjelm wrote:

> ... you cannot speak of the Misnahusing the MT, which did not exist in 
> the 2nd century CE. At that time you have pre-masoretic texts ...


Agreed. But there is not just one pre-Masoretic text, there is a 
succession of them covering more than a millennium.

> ... and the differerence involves more than vocalisation 
> -non-vocalisation. ...


Not necessarily. Yes, there are differences other than vocalisation 
between the particular pre-Masoretic text witnessed in the DSS and the 
true Masoretic text. But, given the near absence of evidence from the 
intervening centuries, we cannot know whether these differences predated 
the 6th century CE. Indeed, we cannot know whether these predated the 
Mishnah except from the evidence of the Mishnah itself. And from what 
Uri wrote:

>the Mishnah, when quoting biblical texts, is practically using the MT
>
I understand him to be claiming that there are very few differences 
between the MT and the consonantal text used by the authors of the 
Mishnah. I presume that he is not making a claim that the Mishnah 
reflects the MT vocalisation.


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