Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

Ingrid Hjelm <ingrid_hjelm AT hotmail.com> wrote, inter alia: 
 ...." The Former Profets in some
forms date to the centuries before the common era as we know from Dead Sea
Scrolls, the Greek and Latin evidence, Josephus and rabbinic sources"...

  Excuse me, but this is not clear. Could you explain what you mean?

 (you did make clear that this doesn't refer to the MT --  a different 
matter, which in itself  can be divided into consonantal text and  
vocalization. As for the first, the good people who judge it to be mediaeval 
forget that the Mishnah, when quoting biblical texts, is practically using 
the MT).

  Finally, wishing you a full and speedy recovery,

  Uri



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Hallo Karl,  I do take your point (excuse the pun), and certainly would want
to consider the fact that some vowel pointing in minor instances may be the
incorrect one.  HOWEVER .......

 KARL SAYS:   Here is where you errHebrew was not the mother tongue of
those who invented the points to preserve the pronunciation tradition that
they inherited.
They had to learn Hebrew as a scholarly study, just as we.

MY RESPONSE:  Yet these very men were very probably brought up to HEAR every
shabbat the very words that they were going to point (and no doubt had heard
ex 34:7 once a year in the synagogue or meeting place for many many years
while as yet the text remained  unpointed.
--------No indeed not a mother tongue, but certainly a mother-in-law
one!!---------

 It therefore appears a "logical" presumption that they certainly lived this
language from an early age and were to some degree immersed in it by their
peers and parents and frequent discussions.  More so, dare I say, than any
gentile scholar of the modern age has ever been.  (Jewish scholars are
obviously excluded from this category).

Please understand that I am in no way arguing a case here (I am not
qualified) but am simply raising a thought.

regards,  Chris.