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- From: Dave Washburn <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL)
- Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:33:51 -0700
Since many of us don't have access to such journals, would you mind listing
some of his "counterfactual" examples?
On Friday 19 March 2004 18:12, Sameer Yadav wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> You may have seen Buths discussion in The Hebrew
> Verb in Current Discussions, Journal of Translation
> and Textlinguistics 5/2 (1992): 91-105. What do you
> think about Buths criticisms of Zuber, i.e. that the
> prefixed form (Zubers modal/future) can also be used
> of indicative repetitious events in the past (cf.
> Greek impf. indicative), while the suffixed form
> (Zubers indicative) can be used for nonindicative
> events (e.g. counterfactuals)? Both Zuber and
> Hatavs explication of modality in BH seems to leave
> these counter-examples insufficiently explained (esp.
> counterfactual uses of qtl).
>
> Another possible criticism might have to do with his
> view that the modal semantics of yqtl are identical to
> wqtl and qtl is identical wyyqtl. He seems to chalk
> it up to stylistic reasons, but without giving any
> adequate account of what stylistic factors might
> govern the choice of one over the other, especially in
> contexts employing both forms together. He may be
> advocating some kind of waw-conversive theory, where
> it is the modal values that are converted by the
> prefixed waw, instead of the older view of converted
> tense values (Blake) or aspectual values (as I take to
> be the implication of Waltke and OConnors view). If
> so, then it inherits the same problem of explaining
> how and why what appears to be a simple conjunction
> came to perform this semantic function.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sameer
>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL)
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), furuli, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Peter Kirk, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), furuli, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Charles David Isbell, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), furuli, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Peter Kirk, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), CS Bartholomew, 03/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Peter Kirk, 03/15/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Ken Penner, 03/19/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Sameer Yadav, 03/19/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Dave Washburn, 03/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Sameer Yadav, 03/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Dave Washburn, 03/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Sameer Yadav, 03/24/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Peter Kirk, 03/24/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Sameer Yadav, 03/24/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Sameer Yadav, 03/24/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Peter Kirk, 03/25/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), A. Philip Brown II, 03/27/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Dave Washburn, 03/27/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL), Sameer Yadav, 03/27/2004
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