Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

>
>
> Liz et al.
>
> The issue with trying to pronounce "the name" is the same as it always has
> been. Each and every letter in it has weakness.  Therefore the
> vowel pattern
> would take on some changes based on each letter in "the name".
>
> Perhaps I misunderstood Charles' comment ... But the Jews [at least Moses
> and others with whom God spoke directly with the "thus saith the ..."
> comments knew the proper pronunciation. [ wouldn't you think?]
Absolutely. According to the text,  David would swear "as YHWH lives"
all the time, pronouncing the name.
>
> Liz doesn't it depend on which tradition of pronunciation you listen to as
> to whether the waw is pronounced with a w or v sound?
Not if you're trying to get at the pronounciation of the ancient text.
According to my teacher, Charles Krahmolkov, the vov is a Germanization
of the wow.

Another way to get at the pronounciation may be through the theophorics at
the end of names, e.g. Eliyahu. My god is Yahu, which makes me think
that this is how it was pronounced. YHW is the name of the Jewish
god at Elephantine. The heh at the end may just be to lenghthen the last
vowel.
Yahuu.
Best
Liz
>
> Just some thoughts
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Burks
>
>
> On 9/26/03 10:55 AM, "Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear David,
> > I'd go with yahoweh myself, or maybe yahuweh.
> > Forget the vov, it's a wow.
> > Liz
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of David
> P Donnelly
> >> Sent: Fri, September 26, 2003 11:35 AM
> >> To: cisbell AT cox.net
> >> Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text
> >>
> >>
> >> Charles David Isbell says:
> >>
> >>>>>
> >> I am aware that some on this list need to believe fervently that the
> >> sacred name of God
> >> is to be pronounced Jehovah.
> >>
> >>  I have two responses.
> >> [1] Knock yourself out.
> >> You have my blessing to pronounce the name of your deity any way you
> >> wish.
> >> [2] Kindly stop trying to speak for "the Jewish people."
> >> We have NEVER used that pronunciation,
> >> and it was not a Jew who made the childish error of reading Ktiv
> >> consonants with Qere vowels.
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> Dave says:
> >>
> >> In my particulat situation,
> >> I am trying to understand the "it is written" form of God's
> Hebrew name,
> >> as it is preserved in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew text.
> >>
> >> I realize that  Masoretic texts disagree with other Masoretic texts,
> >> but the Old Testament of the English Bible that I use,
> >> [e.g. the KJV]
> >> is translated from the Ben Chayyim Hebrew text.
> >>
> >> Yehovah
> >> [yod-shewa-he-holem-vav-qamets-he]
> >> is a Hebrew form of God's name
> >> that is preserved in both the Ben Chayyim Hebrew text,
> >> and in the Leningrad Codex..
> >>
> >> It appears to be a Hebrew form,
> >> that is pronounceable.
> >>
> >> It is pronounced "Yehovah" in Hebrew.
> >>
> >> Thus to be redundant,
> >> I am trying to understand the "it is written" form of God's
> Hebrew name,
> >> [e.g. Yehovah]
> >> as it is preserved in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew text over 6000 times,
> >> and as it is preserved in the Leningrad Codex 44 times.
> >>
> >> I am aware that many sources do not believe that
> >> this  "it is written" form of God's Hebrew name,
> >> [e.g. Yehovah]
> >> was meant to be pronounced.
> >>
> >> Dave Donnelly
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:58:00 -0500 "Charles David Isbell"
> >> <cisbell AT cox.net> writes:
> >>> David Donnelly wrote: "The Jewish people must have been aware that
> >>> the
> >>> Rabbinic Bible of 1525, preserved God's name as "Yehovah"
> >>> [yod-shewa-he-holem-vav-gamets-he] over 6000 times."
> >>>
> >>> I am aware that some on this list need to believe fervently that the
> >>> sacred
> >>> name of God is to be pronounced Jehovah. I have two responses. [1]
> >>> Knock
> >>> yourself out. You have my blessing to pronounce the name of your
> >>> deity any
> >>> way you wish.
> >>>
> >>> [2] Kindly stop trying to speak for "the Jewish people." We have
> >>> NEVER used
> >>> that pronunciation, and it was not a Jew who made the childish error
> >>> of
> >>> reading Ktiv consonants with Qere vowels.
> >>>
> >>> Charles David Isbell
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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