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[David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

Peter Kirk said:

>>>
In my scholarly opinion,
rather than belief, 
this is already happening. 

What is probably the original pronunciation is well known, 
and some people pray to God using that name. 

I don't suggest this has any  special  significance.
>>>

Dave asks Peter Kirk:

Are you allowed to make known 
"what is probably the original pronunciation" of YHWH,
on this discussion board?

Dave Donnelly



On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:59:40 -0700 Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
writes:
> On 27/09/2003 11:36, David P Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > ...
> >
> >Do you believe that a time will come,
> >when men and women will once again know how 
> >to pronounce this 4-letter Hebrew name without vowels,
> >and men and women will pray to God using this name?
> >[and pronouncing this name as God pronounced it to Moses]
> >
> >Dave Donnelly
> >
> >  
> >
> In my scholarly opinion, rather than belief, this is already 
> happening. 
> What is probably the original pronunciation is well known, and some 
> 
> people pray to God using that name. I don't suggest this has any 
> special 
> significance.
> 
> -- 
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] elohim versus aggelous, Psalm 8:6[5] MT verses LXX
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On 9/27/03 11:03 AM, "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:

> We don't know. But we can make a strong text critical argument, which
> Philip summarised as follows:
> 
>> In view of the word-for-word verbatim presentation of the MT and
>> LXX, it is highly likely that the LXX was translated verbatim from the MT
>> vorlage, i.e. the unpointed MT consonantal text.
>> 

This is not a "strong text critical argument."  "Read any book on textual
criticism" and then go do some textual criticism and you will discover that
single word variants are ubiquitous.

The reason that m )lhyM par aggelous in Psalms 8:6 is probably NOT a textual
variant is theological. What you are calling a "strong text critical
argument" is based on the probability, i.e., that in a string of clean
looking text we will not find an isolated variant. This sort of argument can
be proven wrong by thousands of examples.

However rendering  m )lhyM as par aggelous in Psalms 8:6 makes theological
sense. This is a semantic argument and differs significantly from a
probability argument:

>> In view of the word-for-word verbatim presentation of the MT and
>> LXX, it is highly likely that the LXX was translated verbatim from the MT
>> vorlage, i.e. the unpointed MT consonantal text.






greetings,
Clay Bartholomew