Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 1975-1980s)

[mike AT appelstein.com]

All good points.  And I wasn't really thinking about the 50-copy  
photocopy zines, anyway; it's totally understandable that the authors  
would be uncomfortable seeing them anthologized or uploaded.  I'm  
thinking more about the actual music that came out during that era -  
the cassettes, 7-inches and LPs.  It seems to me that the songs and  
live shows were generally meant for larger audiences than the zines.   
It seems a shame to deprive today's youth of Viva Knieval, Heavens To  
Betsy's "Direction" single or the _A Wonderful Treat_ cassette, for  
instance.

(And no offense taken on the Anne Frank comparison. :))

-Mike

Quoting Kelsey Guntharp <kbguntha AT hotmail.com>:

> I totally understand where you and Layla are coming from. I think that
> being there in the beginning of something that was blown up and out and
> under lends an attachment that would definitely lead to a desire for
> privacy and personal memories.
> On the other hand I also feel like there is no use in fighting the
> inevitable result of this technologically advanced uh, situation. All
> we can really do is try and be now. show love. play music...
> i think it's great that we have such a wide variety of "news" outlets
> available to us. personal, published, music, writing, art... even
> medical. it's amazing and inspiring. and maybe a bit scary on many
> levels... and yes, it seems like maybe people are getting caught up in
> the ephemera. but shit! this is the first time we can actually FIND
> some ephemera! and who knows what great directions this might take
> future generations. Man, i know this is a por comparison, but Anne
> Frank's Diary was meant for HER eyes only. but look what good it has
> done. especially with the last generations of living witnesses dying.
> anyway. i think the future of documentation is so interesting and
> valuable. and scary. did i say that already? but inevitable!
>
> ~Kelsey
>
> > From: "Tobi Vail" <tobivail AT gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music  
> >  (Circa  1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music   
> > (Circa  1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
> > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:05:27 -0700
> >
> > well,,,there is a difference in perspective....if you made something
> > when you were 18 with the intent of 5 people reading it, would you
> > want it on the internet when you are 38? not necsesarily...i'm not
> > opposed to having some of my old work out there, i'm intending to make
> > it available on my own terms, but i have no interest in making a
> > fanzine 'available for download'...to me, fanzines are all about
> > context....those zines were not made for everyone...they were made in
> > a community for a community and often that was a community of less
> > than 20 people...i don't find that any more elitist than going over to
> > someone's house for dinner rather than having a banquet. obviously the
> > conversations you have with your friends over dinner are going to be
> > different than a speech you'd give at an awards ceremony...sorry if
> > this is warped by my personal persepctive/neurosis, but there you have
> > it...i also love ephermal art and view fanzines in the same way...
> >
> > the thing about saying that young people missed out because they were
> > young doesn't hold up because anyone can make a fanzine. those zines
> > aren't any better than anything anyone could make right now. that is
> > why the fanzine is a great art form. it's there for the taking...
> >
> > time to get in the van! nice to see everyone in the bay area...hi layla!
> >
> > x
> > tobi
> >
> > ps there is actually an overabundance of academic writing on riot
> > grrl, but some of it is good, just search online or on jstor or
> > something like that and you'll get overwhelmed. it's not like people
> > haven't archived it and analyzed it to death already....what needs to
> > happen is another movement, not more documentation, well,,,,that's
> > more than my two cents, but there you have it
> >
> > On 9/14/07, mike AT appelstein.com <mike AT appelstein.com> wrote:
> > > I understand what you're saying, and I definitely understand the
> > > tendency to look at the past through rose-colored glasses.  But at the
> > > same time, why should latecomers miss out on inspiring
> > > art/music/writing just because they happened to be too young, or just
> > > otherwise occupied, the first time?  I don't think there's anything
> > > wrong with exploring the past, especially if it helps inspire the
> > > future.  Perhaps a balance of past and present works best.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > > mike AT appelstein.com
> > > http://djearlybird.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.youngmarblegiants.com
> > >
> > > Quoting Layla Gibbon <lpgibbon AT yahoo.com>:
> > >
> > > > One of the things I like about punk culture is that it
> > > > is transient. It kind of annoys me that suddenly now
> > > > everyone is so reverent towards the ephemera, people
> > > > bidding on ebay for fanzines and demos that would have
> > > > disappeared in previous generations.
> > >
> > >
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