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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
- From: Eric Sandall <eric AT sandall.us>
- To: sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:06:28 -0700
Quoting Ladislav Hagara <hgr AT vabo.cz>:
<snip>
> > We are losing developers at the rate of one per month. For the simple
> reason
> > that we are already undermanned and overworked.
>
> It is a real life problem.
> We must attract new developers.
Any ideas how? This is a problem that I'd like to resolve, and I've had a few
step up and show interest, but we need more. ;) I'm open to ideas on how to
recruit more developers.
> > This was one of my primary reasons for suggesting we remove devel grimoire
> > from easy public access.
>
> Do you still think it was a good idea ?
> Do you think all users want only stable linux distro ?
> Certainly some of them want to be on the bleeding edge and use at least some
> devel
> spell.
> No devel grimoire -> no bleeding edge users -> no new SMGL developers.
Everyone wants a stable system (if that's what you mean), but not a static
distribution (I don't think that's what you meant, but just in case). Either
way, SMGL is the thing. With our recent removal of devel, we've had more time
to stabalize spells in test and make stable more up-to-date. Our grimoire is
not static, it is constantly changing. Almost all of our spells are bleeding
edge, and if you want even more bleeding edge, just modify the spell (usually
just a version bump works) or create a new one and add it to a private
grimoire.
Because of these reasons, I cannot see what you are complaining about. SMGL
is
becoming more stable (I've had no problems with it lately), still has bleeding
edge software (usually the day it is released it's updated), and is
continually
improving thanks to the hard work of our developers.
> > if you want the absolute cutting edge nothing is stopping you.
>
> Why do you want users to manually change details if they could use devel
> grimo ?
Using devel grimoire would not solve a thing. Most of the versions in devel
are
in test anyways, the only things which are kept in devel and out of test (and
hence stable) are spells which we, the developers, do not feel are safe to
bring
into the light yet and/or works in progress (such as openoffice, which
currently
will compile for ~17 hours then fail, do you want /that/ in test?).
> > I don't think we should be wasting our time with unstable releases IF the
> > software has a stable alternative that works.
>
> It is like: Why to develop source based distro if we have a lot of binary
> distros
> ?
> Why do you want to restrict users ?
Again, stable does not mean static. Why would you want all of your packages
checked out from cvs (if that's what you're meaning)? You'll quite often get
a
non-working version, or perhaps even a version which wipes things out (MBR,
hard
drive, etc.). The nice thing about SMGL is that you can create your own
spells
(usually by just copying the old one and making a new one) and put them in
your
own grimoire, overriding what are "official" packages, and have your
cvs/devel/beta/whatever packages available for yourself, while leaving those
whom want stable packages as they are.
As above, we're not restricting anyone, it's easy to modify SMGL. ;)
> - lace -
-sandalle
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
, (continued)
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Seth Woolley, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jeremy A. Kolb, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jason Flatt, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Hamish Greig, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Duane Malcolm, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Dufflebunk, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jose Bernardo Silva, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Ladislav Hagara, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Hamish Greig, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jason Flatt, 09/04/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Seth Woolley, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Eric Sandall, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Christoph Steckelberg, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Arwed von Merkatz, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Christoph Steckelberg, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Ladislav Hagara, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Eric Sandall, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., , 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Arwed von Merkatz, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Hamish Greig, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jason Flatt, 09/03/2003
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