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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
- From: "Jeremy A. Kolb" <jkolb AT brandeis.edu>
- To: Seth Woolley <seth AT tautology.org>
- Cc: Hamish Greig <hgreig AT bigpond.net.au>, sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT)
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intent. Unfortunately I
haven't really been able to make that leap from user to developer with
respect to smgl. In the future I would like to give back more to the
community because you have all given me so much, unfortunately I have very
little time to do this other then to write a few spells here and there.
So for now I'm just a user with valid 'user' concerns is all. I know that
developers and users often see things in a different light and because
most of the people on these lists are the developers of smgl perhaps I
look at things a bit differently. Anyways, I'm terribly sorry if I
offended or annoyed anyone or if my take on the situation was wrong or
something. Keep up the good work.
Jeremy
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Seth Woolley wrote:
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> jkolb is a pretty active participant on the mailing lists (for over a
> year, since before the sorcerer resurrection, I believe), so as far as
> "giving back" to the community, he's done more than most people.
> Granted, it would be nice to have more gurus, but yelling at people isn't
> the way to go about recruitment ;). I agree with your sentiment on
> devel/test, etc, too. . . just don't want users to fear giving input. Of
> course the obligatory response, "if you want it, take the responsibility
> and supply a patch or volunteer to help," is always appropriate -- just no
> big need to have those !s and CAPS everywhere. I always try to remember
> the days when I was "just a user", and on a lot of stuff that I'm not
> directly involved with (say I have an alsa suggestion but I'm not an
> active participant in alsa development), then I _am_ just a user. I side
> on caution and assume these people are all nice people and could be
> developing other open-source projects, too, I guess, unless there's reason
> to think otherwise and then I consider them all "potential" developers.
>
> Frankly, I blame my faith in humanity on 1) my dad's side of the family
> and 2) all that `Humanist' propaganda -- oh I mean Star Trek (TOS).
>
> Seth
>
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Hamish Greig wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:16, Jeremy A. Kolb wrote:
> > > But if the spell is stable then why not put it into test? Even if the
> > > software is devel, if the spell is stable then shouldn't it go into
> > > test?
> > > isn't that what test is all about (assuming that the spell doesn't
> > > destroy
> > > other spells of course!!!). That's what i gathered the switch was
> > > about.
> > >
> > >
> > PLEASE !!!
> > how do we decide what is stable ? Is it stable if it builds on one
> > developers
> > machine ? Is it stable if it builds on two developers machines ?
> > Is it stable if it runs for five minutes ? Is it stable if two people use
> > it
> > for a week ?
> > MAJOR CHANGES GO INTO DEVEL !
> > THEY DO NOT GO STRAIGHT INTO TEST !
> > TEST IS FOR BUGFIXES AND MINOR VERSION UPDATES !
> > People who want to live on the lunatic fringe and use devel can either
> > become
> > developers and get a perforce account or they can harass the people
> > involved
> > to get cvs running.
> > I appreciate that we are all release junkies, but DON"T ask us to start
> > supporting BETA or ALPHA software. We have enough work to do without
> > working
> > on/ fixing bugs that the authors will be fixing themselves in the short
> > term.
> > If BETA/ ALPHA software is in devel grimoire then the software itself
> > isn't
> > supported ONLY the spell scripts. WHEN the release happens it will move
> > into
> > test grimoire very quickly.
> > If we put that same (BETA/ ALPHA) software straight into test grimoire we
> > are
> > obligated to fix any and all bugs so users have working software.
> > If you really want to use BETA/ ALPHA software and can't use devel then
> > keep a
> > custom grimoire.
> > NOW if you are prepared to do that, think long and hard about why you
> > aren't
> > involved in the development of SMGL and giving back to our community. We
> > do
> > need developers.
> > Libs, devel, science, cluster, mobile and x11 sections are all in need of
> > gurus. We also need people to help existing section guru's. So if you are
> > holding back as you don't have time to manage a whole section then just
> > help
> > someone else when you can.
> > I would much rather have 300 developers updating one spell each per week
> > that
> > 10 developers doing 30 peoples work.
> > Hamish
> > GURU FOR CRANKY/ GRUMPY SECTION
> >
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
, (continued)
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Jeremy A. Kolb, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Geoffrey Derber, 09/01/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Robin Cook, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Geoffrey Derber, 09/01/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Geoffrey Derber, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Dufflebunk, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Geoffrey Derber, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Hamish Greig, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Jeremy A. Kolb, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Hamish Greig, 09/02/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Seth Woolley, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jeremy A. Kolb, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jason Flatt, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Hamish Greig, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Duane Malcolm, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Dufflebunk, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jose Bernardo Silva, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Ladislav Hagara, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Hamish Greig, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Jason Flatt, 09/04/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Seth Woolley, 09/03/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Eric Sandall, 09/04/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta., Christoph Steckelberg, 09/04/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Hamish Greig, 09/02/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Jeremy A. Kolb, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Hamish Greig, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Geoffrey Derber, 09/01/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.,
Jeremy A. Kolb, 09/01/2003
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