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  • From: Seth Woolley <seth AT tautology.org>
  • To: Hamish Greig <hgreig AT bigpond.net.au>
  • Cc: sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire] Gnome section - Updating to Beta.
  • Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT)

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jkolb is a pretty active participant on the mailing lists (for over a
year, since before the sorcerer resurrection, I believe), so as far as
"giving back" to the community, he's done more than most people.
Granted, it would be nice to have more gurus, but yelling at people isn't
the way to go about recruitment ;). I agree with your sentiment on
devel/test, etc, too. . . just don't want users to fear giving input. Of
course the obligatory response, "if you want it, take the responsibility
and supply a patch or volunteer to help," is always appropriate -- just no
big need to have those !s and CAPS everywhere. I always try to remember
the days when I was "just a user", and on a lot of stuff that I'm not
directly involved with (say I have an alsa suggestion but I'm not an
active participant in alsa development), then I _am_ just a user. I side
on caution and assume these people are all nice people and could be
developing other open-source projects, too, I guess, unless there's reason
to think otherwise and then I consider them all "potential" developers.

Frankly, I blame my faith in humanity on 1) my dad's side of the family
and 2) all that `Humanist' propaganda -- oh I mean Star Trek (TOS).

Seth

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Hamish Greig wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:16, Jeremy A. Kolb wrote:
> > But if the spell is stable then why not put it into test? Even if the
> > software is devel, if the spell is stable then shouldn't it go into test?
> > isn't that what test is all about (assuming that the spell doesn't destroy
> > other spells of course!!!). That's what i gathered the switch was about.
> >
> >
> PLEASE !!!
> how do we decide what is stable ? Is it stable if it builds on one
> developers
> machine ? Is it stable if it builds on two developers machines ?
> Is it stable if it runs for five minutes ? Is it stable if two people use it
> for a week ?
> MAJOR CHANGES GO INTO DEVEL !
> THEY DO NOT GO STRAIGHT INTO TEST !
> TEST IS FOR BUGFIXES AND MINOR VERSION UPDATES !
> People who want to live on the lunatic fringe and use devel can either
> become
> developers and get a perforce account or they can harass the people involved
> to get cvs running.
> I appreciate that we are all release junkies, but DON"T ask us to start
> supporting BETA or ALPHA software. We have enough work to do without working
> on/ fixing bugs that the authors will be fixing themselves in the short
> term.
> If BETA/ ALPHA software is in devel grimoire then the software itself isn't
> supported ONLY the spell scripts. WHEN the release happens it will move into
> test grimoire very quickly.
> If we put that same (BETA/ ALPHA) software straight into test grimoire we
> are
> obligated to fix any and all bugs so users have working software.
> If you really want to use BETA/ ALPHA software and can't use devel then
> keep a
> custom grimoire.
> NOW if you are prepared to do that, think long and hard about why you aren't
> involved in the development of SMGL and giving back to our community. We do
> need developers.
> Libs, devel, science, cluster, mobile and x11 sections are all in need of
> gurus. We also need people to help existing section guru's. So if you are
> holding back as you don't have time to manage a whole section then just help
> someone else when you can.
> I would much rather have 300 developers updating one spell each per week
> that
> 10 developers doing 30 peoples work.
> Hamish
> GURU FOR CRANKY/ GRUMPY SECTION
>
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