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- From: Ryan Abrams <rabrams AT sourcemage.org>
- To: Andrew Stitt <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>
- Cc: sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells
- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:35:00 -0500
Bugzilla allows you to login from the front page, create a query once, and save it. then you just click a link to get an updated list. Heck, you can even load that query as a template and modify it later. So yes.. there is a tiny bit of setup as you fill out a query once. But its not like /every/ time you go you have to fill out some massive form. You go, login if you arent already, and then click a link. You could even bookmark it.
Its a tool, just like your mail client. You have to learn it, but its not a difficult thing to use. It is intimidating on first glance though.
-Ryan
On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Stitt wrote:
On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 12:22:25PM -0700, Seth Woolley wrote:
I heavily suggest using Bugzilla. People from other projects (likeheres my main problem with bugzilla, if i go there and look for something
mozilla) are quite used to Bugzilla, and even if they aren't, I believe it
is actually easier than hand-trodding through the mailing lists. I
presume you could download all the archive files by month, but then you'd
need to grep them as a collection, and you'd only get the correct lines
that matched, unless you went ahead and add -A and -B switches... I think
I get my point across.
Bugzilla is easier for me. It is available, I don't have to be subscribed
to it to search it in an easy manner. If you are subscribed to a mailing
list, it is about as easy as bugzilla because your mailing program then
acts like the database program, however, why not let everyone use
bugzilla and not have to subscribe?
To find a listing of the bugs, you can select all of any field
practically, and hit search. I just use the top-left field to do this.
It seems to work fine, but even better with Bugzilla, you can select all
the bugs relating to a certain section of the grimoire, if we set it up
that way (as someone else already mentioned).
I don't consider bugzilla queries something to fight against. Does
anybody have a reason why they would be (other than assertion)?
Maybe my experience with databases means I have made the making of
queries too intuited to truly understand where people would have a
difficult time with a query system such as bugzilla -- a kind of second
nature through learning?
But we can't just assume to lock people out who aren't used to the system.
If we just had a page that listed the bugs in bugzilla linearly, would
that appease the mailing-list, flat-file people?
Maybe there's a compromise.
Seth
i have a half dozen fields to try and mess with when im not particularly
interested in anything they have to offer. There doesnt seem to be anyway
to just selectively ignore some option, they are all there whether i
want them to be there or not, so i end up having to go through and set
them all each time. even then do i really know its exhaustively searching
everything? or did i miss an option somewhere?
a flat file of bugzilla would be nice, that was the first thing i looked
for 'tell me everything thats going on' another nice thing for us cli
people is to be able to just query through a command line tool instead
of having to manually go through the web interface, id have no problem
not using a mailing list of some sort if i could just type a command
and get all the bugs related to the grimoire team. but thats wishful
thinking ;)
in reality a mailing list with bugzilla is the best solution, that
way its easy to check (and with biff it tells you, instead of you asking
it), and everything thats a bug is in bugzilla too.
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells
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- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Andrew Stitt, 09/06/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Andrew Stitt, 09/06/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Jeremy A Kolb, 09/06/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Jonathan Evraire, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Eric Sandall, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Andrew Stitt, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Ryan Abrams, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Jeremy Kolb, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Seth Woolley, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Andrew Stitt, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Ryan Abrams, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Seth Woolley, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Eric Sandall, 09/06/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Seth Woolley, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Andrew Stitt, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Seth Woolley, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Andrew Stitt, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Seth Woolley, 09/07/2002
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Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells,
Andrew Stitt, 09/07/2002
- Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells, Dufflebunk, 09/07/2002
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