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[Treeve Jelbert <treeve AT scarlet.be>]

On Sunday 28 August 2011 18:56:26 Bor Kraljič wrote:
> On 27. MES 2011 15:18:08 George Sherwood wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:03:46 +0200
> > 
> > Bor Kraljič <pyrobor AT ver.si> wrote:
> > > Hellow fellow developers!
> > > 
> > > As you may have noticed I have been working on kde4.7 update in
> > > devel-kde47 branch quite a while now. And it is more or less
> > > finished. But there are some problems. The reason for problems is
> > > that we install kde4 in /opt/kde4 and due to that reason some thing
> > > aren't find correctly. So basicly I only have problems that would
> > > simply go away if we install kde4 in $INSTALL_ROOT/.
> > > 
> > > >From what i know we install kde4 in /opt/kde4 so users can have
> > > >both
> > > >versions of kde
> > > 
> > > instaled (kde3 and kde4). I think now that kde4 is fully
> > > operational,
> > > there is no such user that would have both versions of kde
> > > installed.
> > > Either he stayed on kde3 or already migrated to kde4.
> > > 
> > > So I purpose that we move kde4 to /. The way we do that is another
> > > question. ATM i have 2 paths:
> > > * we move kde4 to / and kde3 to /opt/kde3. But that would be pain in
> > > the ass. Lots of testing with old qt3 and other things that I am NOT
> > > prepared to do.
> > > * we move kde4 and add CONFLICTS to main spells of kde4 and kde3
> > > (kdelibs, kdebase and few more) (This one would be quite easy and in
> > > my opinion would be the best solution with least headaches.)
> > > 
> > > If no one has any objections I will try to move next version of kde
> > > to / in devel-kde47 branch and then if everything is okay merge it
> > > with master. The next release of the kde will probably be around 1st
> > > september.
> > 
> > Long thread and I am sorry I haven't weighed in at all prior to this.
> > This is in a slightly different form the same argument that we have
> > been having with Gnome now for a very long time.  What this has led to
> > is the fact that we don't have what is considered the stable supported
> > version of Gnome in even the Test Grimoire.
> > 
> > Whenever a subject like this comes up an overwhelming number of folks
> > vote for maximum flexibility, but honestly none of those people step up
> > to do any of the work to bring about this flexibility.
> > 
> > Bor is the person closest to the problem and has continuously put in the
> > hard work to maintain something as difficult to maintain as KDE.  I
> > fully support his approach to rename KDE4 to KDE and it will be the
> > stable supported version of KDE for SMGL and I have the same thoughts
> > about Gnome3.  I believe Gnome3 should have been renamed to Gnome and
> > move to the test grimoire a long time ago.
> > 
> > I am not a big fan of the multiple grimoires because it is an untested
> > idea and I am sure there are going to be very large depedency problems
> > if we think we can do something like removing Gnome/KDE from the main
> > grimoires and have people add a Gnome or KDE grimoire.  I personally
> > feel we don't have the developers willing to put in the work to make
> > that happen.  This is the main reason we have been talking about so
> > many of the ideas forever but they never get done.
> > 
> > So as the Grimoire Lead, I am in favor of the Bor's
> > #2 solution or whatever he feels will give us the best shot at having a
> > current stable version of KDE running.
> 
> Thank you for your support.
> 
> I will continue according to plan:
>  1) add CONFLICTS to main spells of kde4 to conflict them with kde3 (in
> devel- kde47 branch)
would it be possible to use the CONFLICTS in kdelibs4 to dispel anything that 
depends on kdelibs3, rather than change all the individual kde4 splells ?

This might be less work.

>  2) edit FUNCTIONS in kde4 sections to remove /opt/kde4 as path to install.
> (in devel-kde47 branch)
>  3) update kde4 spells to 4.7.1 (or PATCHLEVEL++ if kde4.7.1 won't be
> released yet at that point)  (in devel-kde47 branch)
>  4) if there are no complications I will merge devel-kde47 into master.
> And with that the transition of kde4 from /opt/kde4 will be complete.
> 
> 
> As for renaming spells from kde4 to kde. I will wait that we agree on common
> path that both kde4 and gnome could follow. For that we have to discuss and
> agree as much as possible on whatever do we delete or rename old spells
> (for example kde -> kde3). And also what kind of  "magic" code in PREPARE
> or somewhere else we need (for all scenarios that Remeko mentioned:
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/sm-discuss/2011-August/020717.html). And
> all the other problems I haven't think about. That would be best done in
> another thread on ML.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Bor
> 
> > If we believe that the small number of developers that we have can
> > support all the variations of large complex spells we are kidding
> > ourselves.
> > 
> > George Sherwood
> > Grimoire Lead