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[Seth Alan Woolley <seth AT positivism.org>]

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:10:50AM +0200, Pieter Lenaerts wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:22:02 -0700
> Seth Alan Woolley <seth AT positivism.org> wrote:
> 
>       > On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 03:46:13PM -0400, Sergey A. Lipnevich wrote:
>       > > Quoting Arwed von Merkatz <v.merkatz AT gmx.net>:
>       > > 
>       > > >[0] http://wiki.sourcemage.org/index.php?page=Stable0.0Notes
>       > > 
>       > > From this page:
>       > > > prometheus will either be resurrected or rewritten -- debate 
> ensues
>       > > 
>       > > Where is the debate taking place, forums, irc? It's certainly not 
> on the 
>       > > list.
>       > 
>       > On IRC between the various direct stakeholders.
> 
> I've no wish to kick any of you, but is this debate about prometheus 
> limited to "It will have to happen but not now" ? 

Nope.  It's happening now, and there are developers on both tracks 
('rewrite' and 'fix bit-rot and deploy').  I'd like to also announce a 
newly created IRC room #sourcemage-quality for those who specifically 
want to discuss QA issues.

> As you know if you've been on irc, I've been asking about prometheus 
> and close to noone knew what was happening, including the direct 
> stakeholders iirc.  I repeat, this is not an attack to these 
> stakeholders, only a pointing out that I don't think any directed 
> action exists on this matter.

Work gets done when people volunteer for it, and the work that gets done 
is what they decide they want to do.  I can't force somebody to not 
rewrite it, for example, if they want to do that.  I can say, hey, 
others don't want this and see it as a waste of precious time.  
Innovation never happened by squelching divergent methods.

About people not being sure about things -- nobody's sure since there 
are two proposals.  If you want to work on the existing prometheus code, 
talk to Paul (dufflebunk) and Andrew (afrayedknot).  If you want to work 
on a rewrite all in pure bash, talk to David Brown (dmlb*).

> The reason for me bringing this up: I tried putting up an old box to 
> run stable and stable-rc tests on it. It broke completely by merely 
> casting spells. Hence my concern...

Did you file a bug?  Which grimoire, which spells, etc?  Concerns should 
be voiced before release or I can't do anything about them.

> I'm convinced we need more participation of developers for thorough 
> testing on the stable stuff. problem here is that no developer ever 
> runs stable except some.

And of course that leads to problems.

> seth and thomas, aren't you low on manpower?

Yes!

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