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[Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>]

Thanks Robyn for a clarification. My experience in observing the many
teaching patterns wherever I go is that there is as I've been beating on
about like Scotty far too many willing teachers who offered a very
distorted perspective to this 3rd ethic. With the tremendous work being
done by the collective of energies around Europe in the EPT series of
conferences much of this clarification is vital and desperately needed. I
have used primarily your curriculum as a basis for all levels of teaching
but do personally enjoy elements of the original curricula which I once had
from my course in 1981 and follow up courses with Bill, Max and Lea. I also
like Skeeta and Scotty perhaps resonate with the original. To me "Share of
Surplus" and "Fair Share" have two totally different meanings.

Perhaps a full paper on the 3rd ethic will help considerably to support the
best dissemination of the subject into the new teaching world. ...Steve Hart


On 24 March 2014 05:39, Robyn Francis <robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:

> The PDC outline in the download is a bit different from the original and
> unfortunate that it doesn't acknowledge the source, authors, date or
> include the preamble. I do have a copy somewhere of the original document
> which I'm trying to find in my too numerous archives. I've found the
> original Arid Zones PDC Handbook by Bill and it seems some of this has been
> incorporated into Scott's edited version "PDC Outline". The original PDC
> Handbook as issued by The Permaculture Institute (Australia) was written by
> Bill Mollison, Andrew Jeeves and Reny Slay.
>
> Re Third Ethic, what Bill taught in the courses I did and co-taught with
> him in the 80s & early 90s, was " to recognise and establish limits to
> growth and consumption and disperse surplus to support care of the earth
> and care of people".  Bill had a habit of rephrasing this third ethic and
> also his pc principles, so there's many different versions, which can be
> somewhat confusing.
>
> I have only every heard Bill talk of three ethics, not four.  There are
> some permies trying to introduce a fourth ethic "Spirit Care" but
> personally don't support this idea, as it nests within the first two - i.e.
> providing for peoples material and non-material needs
>
> Under the catch cry "Fair Share" i introduce the first part of ethic 3,
> limits to growth and consumption, in the context of designing and living
> within our ecological footprint (to use/consume more than our share is
> 'unfair' and effectively stealing from future generations, as well as
> contributing to current inequity in the world) and that all natural, and
> subsequently human, systems have limits, then second to this comes the
> ethical sharing of surpluses  we might generate.
>
> Robyn
>
>
> On 24/03/2014, at 4:39 AM, Toby Hemenway wrote:
>
> > Couple of questions:
> >
> > Who wrote the handbook that LL linked to at
> >
> > Permaculture Institute/Scott Pittman: Publication2 - PDC-Outline.pdf
> > http://www.permaculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PDC-Outline.pdf
> >
> > This has been around in various forms for many years, and this is a
> revised version of the one I got in 1994. I've never seen an author's name
> on it.
> >
> > Second question: What is the 3rd ethic? In the Designer's Manual on P 2
> Mollison says that the 3rd ethic is
> >
> > "3. Setting limits to population and consumption: By governing our own
> needs, we can set resources aside to further the above principles" [Bill is
> referring to ethics 1 and 2, care of earth and care of people--which he
> confusingly calls "principles."]
> >
> > So--how did "set limits to population and consumption" get turned into
> "share the surplus"? Bill muddled the issue by adding "we can set resources
> aside" to his "set limits" injunction, but still--how did we drop the whole
> "set limits" piece so that so many people think that the 3rd ethic has
> always been "share the surplus" when it never has been that, according to
> Bill?
> >
> > Toby
> > http://patternliteracy.com
> >
> >
> > On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:17 AM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for that Scotty
> >>
> >> This brings up memory....you say
> >>
> >> "At some point the fourth ethic was
> >> dropped from the teaching of permaculture and that ethic, *reduction of*
> >> *population and consumerism*, was and is critical to our future path."
> >>
> >> I too like yourself have issue with the diversion of the 3rd Ethic which
> >> has always been from the beginning "Share the Surplus" not the watered
> down
> >> version "Fair Share" which has an entirely different meaning
> >>
> >> As you also say
> >>
> >> " Not the watered down version of permaculture
> >> that is currently being flogged by to many incompetent teachers and
> >> practitioners but the version that I believe was envisioned by Bill
> >> Mollison's anger and David Holmgren's thoughtfulness"
> >>
> >> I continue the challenge to re-right this ship which is sinking fast
> >> already listing badly, by plugging effort into the European Permaculture
> >> Teachers ( perma*teachers*.*eu )* series of conferences. IMO it is
> critical
> >> to get a recognised firm curricula (
> >> http://www.permaculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PDC-Outline.pdf)
> >> as one basis for teaching. Then of course build an entity to develop and
> >> support the standards to maintain all this.
> >>
> >> Scotty, I'd like to see your paragraph on the detailed explanation of
> the
> >> 3rd & 4th ethic, to share amongst all
> >>
> >> Warm ones ...
> >> Kia ora
> >>
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