permaculture

[Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@att.net>]

Regarding certificates issued "not" through PI. . . presumably they are 
issued 
through the authority of that teaching lineage.  e.g., my certificate is 
signed 
by Dan Hemenway, of Elfin Permaculture/Barking Frogs Permaculture.  His was 
signed by Bill Mollison.  So that's my permaculture 'genealogy.'  Others 
would 
have similar stories.
 Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
http://www.ipermie.net -- How to permaculture your urban lifestyle




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From: Chris Carnevale <c.s.carnevale@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?

Also, going back to my question from this morning... if a PDC teacher is
awarding certificates that are not issued through PI-USA, then what
*are*they issuing?

Thanks,

Chris Carnevale
Charleston, South Carolina
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On 2/27/2013 10:53 AM, deston denniston wrote:
> Its nice to see so many people coming aware of the need to get a
> national conversation and standard set in regards to certification.
> Its also nice to see that the six years Ive been watching Vlad and
> calling him a menace is finally being seen by others (there have been
> a few, but this is the surge of awareness I had hopped to see six
> years ago, when I had some verbal sparring right here on ibiblio with
> him, prior to his exorcism... Yay! a national standards conversation
> and some headway made to a national certifying body! Our permaculture
> mind is often moribund- many people fail in permaculture 'businesses'
> not because permaculture is flawed, but because they think it solves
> all the problems. However, it doesn't directly model the necessary
> actions for business success- that's not its job. It also says use
> multiple elements for each function. So it pays to have other forms
> and models of life assessment and arrangement to work with that are
> complimentary to ones cash resliency and stability. With that, I
> entreat you to check out our kickstarter project. VETS_CAFE is
> producing Illuminated text and site designs for 2.5 acre veteran
> owned organic  permaculture farm via a PDC. Your support gets you
> seedballs, which we have the capacity to produce at a few hundred
> pounds a day, and capacity increases every time we tinker with it...
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/694901181/vets-cafe-a-permaculture-design-project/posts...
> GOT BALLS?

Other things people need include coursework to prepare them for economic 
survival. A high school course in 1) permaculture would be very useful 
plus 2) courses in computer programming to teach them how to think and 
3) the following from a friend in NC:

"I always used to wonder why high school students never got any 
coursework in household finances. You'd think the most important things 
they'd ever need to know would be:

1) How to do your own taxes, and take advantage of the tax code;
2) How to prepare (and stick to) a realistic household budget;
3) How to make large purchases: how to buy a car, and a house, without
    getting ripped off;
4) How to understand financing paperwork; when to sign, when not to
    sign;
5) How and when to sue; how to respond to being sued;
6) How to set up a small home business.

These are the most important things everyone needs to be able to 
understand."