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  • From: Michael Thompson <mike.brian@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Russia’s small-scale organic agriculture model may hold the key to feeding the world | True Activist
  • Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:54:54 -0500

These Dacha communities actually sound really pleasant. I was just put
off by the tone of the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacha

On 11/22/12, Michael Thompson <mike.brian@gmail.com> wrote:
> The original article seemed to be colored some by recent american
> political views with all of this talk of freedom to grow without
> hindrance from regulations and taxes while they even give you land if
> your intent is to farm. Sounds like they are dressing up the situation
> in Russia to validate some personal political grievance. To me.
> Even if that were the case and this implied Russian agricultural
> Renaissance isn't all it's cracked up to be it is still a far cry from
> having only a few large companies owning all of the farms. Although I
> don't know the details there, the remark in the article about free
> land makes me wonder if the state retains control - because here in
> America it appears as if these small farmers are easily lured into
> high density meat farming and ultimately succumb to the expense of
> becoming exotic animal processing equipment consumers. They have an
> opportunity to at least learn from that hopefully. Someone should tell
> them.
>
> On 11/22/12, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>> Just like Canada. But at least you have a summer there usually with long
>> days of sunshine. Some places of the world have constant rain and low
>> light
>>
>> conditions and massive parts of the world have a serious shortage of
>> water.
>>
>> Very few places are ideal.
>> It can't all be solved with high efficient LEDs.
>> john
>>
>> The article notes that the short growing season presents a challenge.
>> Maybe this momentum of self-sufficiency could be combined with, say,
>> greenhouses and modern high efficiency LEDs and they could potentially
>> become exporters of food...
>>
>> On 11/22/12, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:54 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>>>
>>>> Russia’s small-scale organic agriculture model may hold the key to
>>>> feeding
>>>> the world | True Activist
>>>> http://www.trueactivist.com/russias-small-scale-organic-agriculture-model-may-hold-the-key-to-feeding-the-world/
>>>
>>> Just to continue my theme, this is countered by
>>>
>>>> Due to a lack of local supply, Russia imports around 40 percent of its
>>>> food consumption
>>>
>>> http://www.nzte.govt.nz/explore-export-markets/market-research-by-industry/Food-and-beverage/Pages/Food-and-beverage-market-in-Russia.aspx
>>>
>>> Russia is, I believe, the largest food importer in the world. They are
>>> just
>>> over half-way to feeding themselves. So of the numbers in that report,
>>> 90%
>>> of their potatoes, 59% of meat, etc., should be cut roughly in half,
>>> since
>>> the meaningful percent is "of the food consumed by Russians," instead
>>> of
>>> "grown by Russians." The main reason they aren't all starving is that
>>> they
>>> sell vast amounts of oil for food. 35 million small farms aren't doing
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I must have gotten up on the doomer side of the bed this morning.
>>>
>>> Toby
>>> http://patternliteracy.com
>>>
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