permaculture

[Kelly Simmons <kelly@bouldersustainability.org>]

Hi Chris - Good point.  Where I was living, in Bali, there was  
regular, required fumigation for mosquitos.  Although we were assured  
by the school administration (Green School) that it was non-toxic, I  
still don't know what they were using.  There were plenty of spiders,  
geckos, centipedes and all manner of creeping, crawling creatures in  
the jungle and surrounding areas, but everyone was still coming down  
with e coli infections on a regular basis.  The composting toilets  
were not properly built to exclude (or capture) flies.

Kelly

On Nov 29, 2010, at 8:27 PM, wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> --- On Tue, 11/30/10, Kelly Simmons  
> <kelly@bouldersustainability.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Cory - After spending some time in
> > the tropics and contracting several bouts of e coli
> > infection, I have learned that it is CRITICAL to prevent
> > flies from entering latrines and especially! from leaving
> > them.  Even with the seat down, they easily crawl
> > between toilet seats and the rim of latrines and exit the
> > same way, as they are attracted to light.  This is true
> > of composting toilets and all other non flushing
> > latrines.  Waste is not always perfectly covered by
> > sawdust or other carbonaceous materials in composting
> > toilets, and flies can carry disease, (i am assuming cholera
> > as well) out of the latrine or composting toilet to nearby
> > open air food supplies, food prep areas, counter-tops and
> > etc.
>
> Flies can carry at least thirty contagious diseases.
> Flies can multiply out of control when there is a lack of natural  
> predators.  This often happens in built up areas where their natural  
> foes are exterminated on site.
> Would it therefore be possible to encourage these useful critters in  
> order to keep fly numbers down?  Can people be educated not to  
> exterminate wasps and centipedes on sight?  Can lizards and toads be  
> allowed to co habit with humans.  Can spiders be allowed to do their  
> job rather than being mashed whenever they are spotted?
>
> In a situation like Haiti, is it possible to make a fly paper from  
> natural materials.  Perhaps a combination of a large leaf and a  
> sticky sap?  Did fly paper orginally have this kind of natural  
> forerunner?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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