permaculture

[Jody Troupe <jodyt2@mac.com>]

Open Call to Permies-

This doesn't really address the previous question since there was a  
lot there. In fact, it probably complicates it.

I was wondering how the perm. community would feel about a new kind of  
energy - one that is non-polluting, doesn't require an infrastructure  
(like electricity needs power lines), and doesn't require raping the  
earth for oil or coal?

I'm asking because, an energy such as that may allow for the  
continuation of the very things currently regarded as luxurious and  
destructive. If the power source were changed, would things such as  
world travel take on a new light? Or something as simple as having a  
powered vehicle to get around town? Or having lights in your house?  
(Of course, that doesn't fix the toxic nature of the computer. That  
would be a separate topic).

I'm asking because, this possibility IS LIKELY in our future.

How would permaculture look in the face of a new energy that more than  
qualified as sustainable?

If you want to start researching it on your own, here are a couple  
sites. I'm not talking about some guy working out of his garage  
somewhere. There are sustainable forms of energy that have been used  
by some factions for DECADES and these should be available to us. We  
should be furious.

This power IS our future if it can just be brought to light. Here are  
just two of the very brave souls that have been working on it.


Brian O'Leary
Former Astronaut, PhD in Space Sciences, scientist, retired professor  
from Cornell

"Nuclear power. Carbon sequestration at coal plants. Ethanol-from- 
corn. Other kinds of biofuels. Carbon cap-and-trading. Hybrid cars.  
Gas-turbine micropower. Efficient powerplants. Hydrogen economy.  
Hydropower. Geothermal energy. Solar. Wind. Tides. Waves. Ocean  
thermal gradients.
Which one(s) of these will solve the climate crisis and give us a  
significant push towards sustainability? The sobering answer to any  
truthful inquiry, I am sorry to say, is none of the above. We, in our  
mainstream discourse, are almost literally tilting at windmills.

Only second-generation new energy such as zero-point, cold fusion and  
advanced hydrogen and water chemistries, have the potential to reverse  
humanity’s perilous course towards runaway climate change and  
irreversible pollution. Yet nobody with significant public access  
knows or wants to know this. Why is there such a disconnect about  
this?"http://www.brianoleary.info/None%20Of%20The%20Above.html

3.5 min. video clip interview available at http://www.brianoleary.info/


Dr. Steven Greer
Retired emergency room physician

"The Orion Project is an organization created to transform the current  
energy, environmental and social crisis into a world of sustainability  
and Enlightened Abundance.

Technological progress in the areas of advanced physics and  
electromagnetic systems, if appropriately supported, will enable  
humanity to live on the Earth with a minimal footprint with genuine  
long-term sustainability.

For over 100 years, these advanced concepts in energy generation have  
either been ignored or actively suppressed due to the power of fossil- 
fuel based economic and industrial interests."

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/index.html

(I personally attended a week-long event held by Dr. Greer. He has  
contracted with a scientist/engineer that has already built  over- 
unity technologies. It is not theory. Please watch the video series on  
the site for more information.)



JodyT



On May 8, 2010, at 7:01 PM, jamesdavid Sneed wrote:

> Since I have recently said I intend to quit using petroleum products  
> and toxic man-made materials within a year, I am exploring exactly  
> what this means. I invite everyone to comment on what this entails,  
> and help me set honest goals for this. It can be an exercise in  
> assessment, and for some who may wish to join in this endeavor, it  
> can be the beginning of their own plan.
> First off, this machine I am using to post these thoughts will have  
> to go. Their is not all that much truly recyclable about computer  
> materials, and even that little recycling may cost more energy and  
> pollution than it saves. The only thing enduring about my computer  
> is the continuing toxicity of the materials it is made from.
> So if I quit driving, build a houseboat small enough to use oars and  
> sails instead of a motor, will that do it? Well, not if I order bulk  
> foods to be sent to Alaska by air or by oil-burning barge lines.  
> Must mean I need to intensify my quest to grow or gather100% of my  
> food. That is quite possible. Can I store away and then plant enough  
> to keep going? What about my brewing grains? I grow some, must grow  
> them all, and the hops, but maybe I'll use medieval recipes for beer  
> that utilize easier-to-grow-in-the-north herbs instead of hops.
> Lots of wild blue and huckleberries, which have made some mighty  
> fine wine for me in the past.
> I have no major need for things from a pharmacy. I am lucky. I have  
> honed my old-time veterinary skills and have kept healthy livestock  
> and pets without store-bought medicines. I guess I better stay out  
> of any areas in which rabies is endemic.
> Since I eat wild meets, I best learn better about using my bow made  
> from local woods since bullets for my rifle come shipped via  
> petroleum-fueled vehicles. Yes, I've made black powder, but who  
> wants to lug a heavy octagon barrel around and try to reload in time  
> to dissuade the brown bears I often encounter.
> My garden supplies come from the sea, the woods, and from the butts  
> of livestock. I labor by hand, make more of my own tools each year.
> Clearly this will be complex as I try to simplify, but once a person  
> starts, the simplicity seems to snowball and reveal it's own  
> viability.
> What are your thoughts on this?
>
> > From: harvestcircle@hotmail.com
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:04:25 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] From TruthOut
> >
> >
> > People should have begun long ago to prepare by practicing real  
> > skills, so when civilization reaches critical mass and collapses  
> > the needed skills will be second nature rather than something  
> > written and read about in a groovy magazine or manual. The best way  
> > to practice is to fully live a lifestyle that primarily or totally  
> > utilizes those skills.
> > While for most folks a transition must be gradual, time is of the  
> > essence and those who can't practice this weekend because their  
> > favorite sports event is scheduled (or other entertainment) might  
> > just miss the boat.
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:55:44 -0600
> > > From: johntnaisbitt@gmail.com
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] From TruthOut
> > >
> > > Yes....... again.
> > >
> > > I believe that the "we" should be defined.
> > >
> > > Taking into consideration that "we" relates to those of European  
> > > descent, we
> > > have invasively migrated into just about every corner of the  
> > > indigenous
> > > world do to our greed or demand for a more "suitable" environment.  
> > > These
> > > indigenous environments could support the native populations on  
> > > their own
> > > and through natural selection and evolution those peoples were  
> > > getting by
> > > just fine.... until more modern agriculture practices came into play
> > > increasing yield and pleasure.... thus creating greed.
> > >
> > > Through our own greed for new land "we" have moved into just about  
> > > every
> > > nook and cranny of the earth and, with the aid of modern oil  
> > > driven machines
> > > to make those places more like the "home" we have become  
> > > accustomed to
> > > living in, we are getting by just peachy.......
> > >
> > > Along with domineering corporate agendas, corruption, oil, and  
> > > advances in
> > > "modern" medicine we have been able to out domineer, out produce,  
> > > out
> > > reproduce, and out live the competition for those lands.....  
> > > destroying
> > > everything in our path due to greed. So.... what do we do to solve  
> > > the
> > > problem?  Who retains the knowledge of those lands when the so  
> > > called
> > > "modern" conveniences run out? What right do we have to be there  
> > > if we
> > > cannot exist without the comforts of the outside world?
> > >
> > > At which point do we begin prepare for the to overall panic?
> > >
> > > John Thomas Naisbitt
> > > Colombia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, <fdnokes@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi James, or anyone with a 'take' on this.
> > > >
> > > > Here is my little question:
> > > >
> > > > Do you think we have overstepped the bounds of what is habitable  
> > > > space on
> > > > earth?
> > > > Are we trying to live in too many places that are not supportive  
> > > > enough of
> > > > life?
> > > >
> > > > Frances
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > From: "jamesdavid Sneed" <harvestcircle@hotmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:15 AM
> > > > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] From TruthOut
> > > >
> > > > > It was completely avoidable if we would cease our addiction to  
> > > > > oil, or
> > > > any
> > > > > "easy" energy.
> > > >
> > > >
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