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[LINDARAY@att.net]

I'm all for it- please do it! Sounds like a great way to clarify things and 
share information. I think it also would mean much less time spent explaining 
for you. :)

Thank you Larry :)!

Linda :)
-------------- Original message from "Lawrence F. London, Jr." 
<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>: -------------- 


> 
> I was reading yet another fascinating, absorbing machinist forum tonight 
> and thought to myself that gardeners, market farmers, small farmers and 
> permaculturists lack the kind of nice resources that machinists, pro or 
> home, use 24/7/365 and this is much needed. Now that out list is up to 
> about 923 members now might be a good time to add to this list a 
> different kind of forum, one where everything is organized by Subject, 
> then thread. Individual messages can have embedded urls which display 
> graphics and multimedia in real time as you read, without having to go 
> to another browser windor ot tab. 
> 
> A quote from my post to Michael tonight about this, with links and 
> examples: 
> \|/ 
> /|\ 
> I have a new idea for a permaculture and gardening/farming forum system 
> for us that I will pursue - see this URL to see what it is like and is 
> good for. This is a machinist site - they are an exceptionally nice, 
> considerate, polite and helpful community of self help folks - 
> impressive to say the lease - when I saw this I realized that there 
> isn't anything really like this for serious permaculture practitioners 
> and gardeners/smal & family farmers/market farmers: 
> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php 
> and a topic thread: 
> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?topic=7364.0 
> 
> What do you think about this for those of us in the permaculture list? 
> It would exist at ibiblio side by side with the Wiki and the 
> permaculture list as an alternative and companion. Its ability to create 
> discrete pages for each thread, with embedded graphics seems like a 
> not-to-be-without resource. 
> 
> The software appears to be free and I could get it installed on ibiblio 
> without too much trouble. This is their website: 
> 
> Simple Machines Forum 
> http://www.simplemachines.org/ 
> 
> Is this worth doing and will enough of us use it to make it worthwhile? 
> 
> Just think, create a new thread and that generates its own group of 
> pages. Each post in each thread can contain embedded graphics or other 
> media, i.e. videos, sound, etc. Login t your user account there, go to 
> the subject area of your choice, browse the topics being discussed, read 
> the ones that interest you and leave the rest; download and archive any 
> of this you want, complete with graphics. 
> 
> Ex. a thread originates on pond building, lots of input from many users 
> with pics of their own work, followups, etc etc ad infinitum. A thread 
> can generate dozens of pages and can go on for years. Q&A on plants, 
> i.e. "what is this plant I found out back?'. What do varieties of 
> lupines look like. What is a typical root system for clover growing in 
> soil with a high rock powder component - pics ensue, discussion unfolds. 
> I think this would be much fun. Scans of drawings and blueprints, scans 
> of select pages of books and mags, legal of course. 
> 
> I think this is a must have for us. What do you all think? 
> 
> 
> 
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I have recently relocated to the San Francisco area, and am going nuts trying 
to identify local flora.

It's pretty amazing to me what urban folks don't know and don't want to know 
(Are too busy to know, I think). Urban yards here are hedged with Rosemary, 
and no one in the area knows it!

I am searching high and low for like-minded and ecologically-focussed 
herbalists who can identify these plants to me, yet no one knows what they 
are. It would be fantastic if I could upload and post a pic and ask "Does 
anyone know what this is?"

Likewise, I have an extensive ag library in my PC here, and can post clear 
line drawings of root system 'growth patterns and depth' for vegetable crops 
for those who are interested.

I think this capability qualifies as a 'must-have' also, if we can get it. 

Thanks again, Larry :).

You are a jewel :).

Namaste,

Linda
PS: If any listmembers are in this area (Fremont), I'd love to connect and/or 
correspond- Compost is a-making already here, and a garden will be going in 
among the fruit trees this next season. Amen. I am *so* happy.
-------------- Original message from "Lawrence F. London, Jr." 
<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>: -------------- 


> 
> I was reading yet another fascinating, absorbing machinist forum tonight 
> and thought to myself that gardeners, market farmers, small farmers and 
> permaculturists lack the kind of nice resources that machinists, pro or 
> home, use 24/7/365 and this is much needed. Now that out list is up to 
> about 923 members now might be a good time to add to this list a 
> different kind of forum, one where everything is organized by Subject, 
> then thread. Individual messages can have embedded urls which display 
> graphics and multimedia in real time as you read, without having to go 
> to another browser windor ot tab. 
> 
> A quote from my post to Michael tonight about this, with links and 
> examples: 
> \|/ 
> /|\ 
> I have a new idea for a permaculture and gardening/farming forum system 
> for us that I will pursue - see this URL to see what it is like and is 
> good for. This is a machinist site - they are an exceptionally nice, 
> considerate, polite and helpful community of self help folks - 
> impressive to say the lease - when I saw this I realized that there 
> isn't anything really like this for serious permaculture practitioners 
> and gardeners/smal & family farmers/market farmers: 
> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php 
> and a topic thread: 
> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?topic=7364.0 
> 
> What do you think about this for those of us in the permaculture list? 
> It would exist at ibiblio side by side with the Wiki and the 
> permaculture list as an alternative and companion. Its ability to create 
> discrete pages for each thread, with embedded graphics seems like a 
> not-to-be-without resource. 
> 
> The software appears to be free and I could get it installed on ibiblio 
> without too much trouble. This is their website: 
> 
> Simple Machines Forum 
> http://www.simplemachines.org/ 
> 
> Is this worth doing and will enough of us use it to make it worthwhile? 
> 
> Just think, create a new thread and that generates its own group of 
> pages. Each post in each thread can contain embedded graphics or other 
> media, i.e. videos, sound, etc. Login t your user account there, go to 
> the subject area of your choice, browse the topics being discussed, read 
> the ones that interest you and leave the rest; download and archive any 
> of this you want, complete with graphics. 
> 
> Ex. a thread originates on pond building, lots of input from many users 
> with pics of their own work, followups, etc etc ad infinitum. A thread 
> can generate dozens of pages and can go on for years. Q&A on plants, 
> i.e. "what is this plant I found out back?'. What do varieties of 
> lupines look like. What is a typical root system for clover growing in 
> soil with a high rock powder component - pics ensue, discussion unfolds. 
> I think this would be much fun. Scans of drawings and blueprints, scans 
> of select pages of books and mags, legal of course. 
> 
> I think this is a must have for us. What do you all think? 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi Scott,

I do understand why they might be cautious, and while I think it's a shame 
they probably have to be, I certainly don't blame them for it. It would be 
interesting to read the first letter you wrote them.

After watching the Biodynamic bunch (several years ago) and the Seedsavers 
Exchange get hijacked, who knows what's coming over the horizon next.

They can't tell whether to expect a handshake or a lawsuit from you, so they 
are well justified in being cautious. You have sent them a letter on paper on 
letterhead, right? A phone call would have been less threatening, and gotten 
your answers for you without the delay of snailmail. Someone *who wants to 
know you* would call. Someone who's documenting something would send a 
written letter.

If my first contact with a new neighbor were a written letter, I'd think 
something was wrong with them too.

There's a difference between someone introducing themselves and extending the 
hand of friendship, and sending them a written inquiry wanting to know 'who 
the h_ll are *you*, and justify to me whether or not you're legitimate'.

They're probably just folks who are trying to do good work, and don't want to 
get embroiled in a monumental and counterproductive waste of time dealing 
with expensive litigation from out-of-the-blue, instead of the work they 
meant to do in the first place.

I can't speak for them and am not trying to, just giving you my perspective 
on it.

Myself, I'm glad more folks are out there spreading the word for 
Permaculture, as no doubt you are also doing.. Makes your work easier too.

The more the word gets out, the better a world we have.

Namaste,

Linda
Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate...

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-------------- Original message from "Scott Pittman" 
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> I sent an email to Common Circle Education and asked them about their
> instructors and who taught their instructors. I received a very cautious
> reply and hope to hear more.
>
> I find myself doing this more and more and wish that more pc graduates took
> it upon themselves to protect the integrity of our discipline by questioning
> unknown teachers and organizations. I certainly don't mine when people
> contact me questioning my bonafides.
>
>
>
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vladislav - Common Circle [mailto:info@commoncircle.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:58 PM
> To: scott@permaculture.org
> Subject: Re: Site Contact Form {5SYQG}
>
>
> Hello Scott,
>
> I am quite curious about the nature of your request and the claim of
> 'legitimacy'. Could you please give me a bit more information as to the
> nature of these requests?
>
> As you are no doubt aware, anyone who does a PDC class is allowed to teach
> permaculture under the guidelines set out by Bill Mollison; so your
> question about our 'legitimacy' is curious.
>
> I hold several PDC certificates, one from Bill Mollison directly and we have
> some really well-known instructors who teach for us (I do not teach
> directly). We do things very differently than any other permaculture
> training center out there -- we're truly committed to taking this work
> mainstream and really reach audiences that traditionally aren't reached by
> this knowledge.
>
> If you can provide me with more information as to the nature of the request
> that would be helpful and would certainly make me far more willing to answer
> your questions.
>
> With gratitude,
>
>
> Vladislav
>
> --
> Vladislav Davidzon
> Common Circle Education
> www.commoncircle.com
>
>
> Just as you are curious I am also curious why a simple question of who are
> your instructors and who were there instructors is such a daunting inquiry.
>
> I am asking because it is sometimes the case that people and organizations
> use permaculture and permaculture design course without having any training
> or self education in permaculture. As we are a permaculture institute
> established by myself and Bill Mollison in 1997 to protect the integrity of
> permaculture education and practice we are often contacted by people who are
> interested in taking a permaculture course asking for our opinion of courses
> offered or design competence.
>
> Unfortunately as permaculture has become more well known and accepted by the
> mainstream we find that there are more and more bottom feeders moving in
> with dollar signs in their eyes. This is far from the permaculture
> developed by Bill Mollison and David Holmgren. As a student of Bill
> Mollison I am sure that you too are concerned.
>
> Since I had never heard of you organization I have been unable to assure
> people of your integrity based on educational background and certification.
> In our own educational programs we are insisting on our teachers having a
> diploma as well as a certificate or that at least a diplomat oversees the
> program.
>
> I hope this answers your questions and look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
>
>
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