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[Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>]

Thomas,
 
>I have to admit that I share this critical view (of science),
>as we ignore the complexity of the system.
 
I think analytical science does have its practical uses.  It is just that it 
takes such a dominant role in modern society.  Pronouncements of scientists 
are sometimes viewed like absolute truth, when in reality they are subject to 
change like everything else.  What’s more, scientific research is often 
motivated by hidden political or economic considerations.  
 
Basically, what is missing is a holistic view of things that will put the 
fragmented findings of analytical science in relation with the whole.  For 
example, when science can do genetic engineering, society ought to be able to 
decide if we really want to go down that road based on moral, social and 
political considerations instead of being forced into it by particular 
economic interests with their paid scientists and political lobbying. 
 
Dieter




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Nepal,
 
>The human digestive system is carried around on 
>the inside of the host organism …
>The plant wears its digestive system on the outside 
>i.e. the microbial life in its immediate surrounding soil.
 
Aristotle is supposed to have said that soil is the stomach of plants.  
Perhaps digestive system would be more accurate.  Small animals mechanically 
break down plant residues like teeth break down food, microorganisms break 
down and decompose these smaller parts even further; then other microorganism 
colonizing the outside of plant roots feed suitable material to the plant 
like the bacteria colonizing the inside of the digestive tract feed the human 
organism with suitable food.  In this view, the interior of the digestive 
system is the mirror image of the exterior of the plant root system.
 
Dieter




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Interesting discussion.
It's interesting to see how we have lost that sense of participation, and
how 1984 and Brave New World and other fictions explain the way this apathy
institutionalizes.
Isn't it amazing how stuck we seem to be in an economy of throw away
electronics, even as we realize the necessity of changing our ways?

On another note, there is the division of science and the spirit. Quantum
physics has held out the hope to change all that.

Not sure where I picked up the reference (might have even been from this
list?) but have borrowed Charles T. Tart's The End of Materialism: how
evidence of the paranormal is bringing science and spirit together.

Interesting stuff.

When we look at the left brain world with our left brain, it seems hopeless,
but when we look at it with our right brain consciousness, we become aware
that healing can come suddenly and mysteriously.

I hope that this little kaleidoscope



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From: "Dieter Brand" <diebrand@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] Svar: Re:  Svar:  autumn Seedballs?

> Thomas,
>
>>I have to admit that I share this critical view (of science),
>>as we ignore the complexity of the system.
>
> I think analytical science does have its practical uses. It is just that
> it takes such a dominant role in modern society. Pronouncements of
> scientists are sometimes viewed like absolute truth, when in reality they
> are subject to change like everything else. What’s more, scientific
> research is often motivated by hidden political or economic
> considerations.
>
> Basically, what is missing is a holistic view of things that will put the
> fragmented findings of analytical science in relation with the whole. For
> example, when science can do genetic engineering, society ought to be able
> to decide if we really want to go down that road based on moral, social
> and political considerations instead of being forced into it by particular
> economic interests with their paid scientists and political lobbying.
>
> Dieter
>
>
>
>
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