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[Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>]

Thomas,
 
I’m glad you came through your soul searching victoriously and decided to 
follow a scientific career.  Fukuoka went the opposite way.  I guess his 
tribulations, triggered by a serious illness, were a bit more harrowing.  He 
decided to go back to the family farm.  Well, good for him, most of us don’t 
even have family farm to go back to.
 
Academia may give you a bit more breathing space, but with the shortness of 
public funds and private-public partnerships our corporate overlords are 
bound to come knocking at your door some time or other.  Mind you, they 
aren’t all evil.
 
I can understand that from the point of view of the specialist the man on the 
street does seem rather foolish.  And most of us really are fools much of the 
time.  Still, it’s those fools that have to be part of the decision making 
process.  Perhaps it’s the shear mass of foolishness that cancels itself out 
to turn up the right decision in the end.
 
I think skepticism towards GMOs and the like is far more prevalent in the old 
Europe than on the other side of the great pond where positivistic thinking 
about material progress still seems to be rampant.
 
Anyway, it won’t be science on it’s own that will run this planet into the 
ground.  It’s the exploitation of science by commercial interests that will 
do the trick.  Among the two future Eldorados, biotech and IT, I don’t know 
which is the most dangerous.  I guess the two will work in tandem; biotech 
will provide the hardware while IT will serve to control the hearts and minds 
to make sure nobody dissents.  Already, Google aims to control all contents 
so as to manipulate the way people think.  In 5 years time they will be so 
big and powerful that no government will be able to control them.  Most 
Internet users are completely enchanted by the seemingly endless 
possibilities of the net that they don’t even notice how they have become 
slaves to that technology.  Every new technology has its price that will have 
to be paid in the end.
 
But enough rambling for now.  I wish you all a good night and sweet dreams 
about the Brave New World to come.
 
Dieter




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Thomas,
 
I’m glad you came through your soul searching victoriously and decided to 
follow a scientific career.  Fukuoka went the opposite way.  I guess his 
tribulations, triggered by a serious illness, were a bit more harrowing.  He 
decided to go back to the family farm.  Well, good for him, most of us don’t 
even have family farm to go back to.
 
Academia may give you a bit more breathing space, but with the shortness of 
public funds and private-public partnerships our corporate overlords are 
bound to come knocking at your door some time or other.  Mind you, they 
aren’t all evil.
 
I can understand that from the point of view of the specialist the man on the 
street does seem rather foolish.  And most of us really are fools much of the 
time.  Still, it’s those fools that have to be part of the decision making 
process.  Perhaps it’s the shear mass of foolishness that cancels itself out 
to turn up the right decision in the end.
 
I think skepticism towards GMOs and the like is far more prevalent in the old 
Europe than on the other side of the great pond where positivistic thinking 
about material progress still seems to be rampant.
 
Anyway, it won’t be science on it’s own that will run this planet into the 
ground.  It’s the exploitation of science by commercial interests that will 
do the trick.  Among the two future Eldorados, biotech and IT, I don’t know 
which is the most dangerous.  I guess the two will work in tandem; biotech 
will provide the hardware while IT will serve to control the hearts and minds 
to make sure nobody dissents.  Already, Google aims to control all contents 
so as to manipulate the way people think.  In 5 years time they will be so 
big and powerful that no government will be able to control them.  Most 
Internet users are completely enchanted by the seemingly endless 
possibilities of the net that they don’t even notice how they have become 
slaves to that technology.  Every new technology has its price that will have 
to be paid in the end.
 
But enough rambling for now.  I wish you all a good night and sweet dreams 
about the Brave New World to come.
 
Dieter




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     Subject: An Inconvenient Convenience
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This is ridiculous::::


Subject:
An Inconvenient Convenience
From:
"Louis G. Laframboise" <esiobmarfal@gmail.com>
Date:
Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:54:55 -0400
To:
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The environmental impact of cell phones. A one page graphic.

http://kjpermaculture.blogspot.com/2009/09/inconvenient-convenience.html

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