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  • From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: [permaculture] Harold Waldock comments on land
  • Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:14:07 -0700 (PDT)

 Thanks for your comments, Harold.  Sometimes I feel a magazine could be made
just from these online discussions.  I definitely resonate with your
description of homesteading.  On the other hand, I've had my fill of
community discussions that go nowhere, for years.  I've been able to do more
to become sustainable with just my partner and myself over the past five
years than any of the communities I've lived in, which have been around for
decades.
 
One thing you mentioned which could provide a third way between joining or
forming a community and striking off on your own is to settle next to an
existing community, be it a progressive town or ecovillage.  That way, you
can benefit from and contribute to the existing community, without being
restricted by the group process to the same degree.  The hard work of
establishing the community can now be used to increase its size and impact,
sort of like tree establishment in open areas.  After reading Jared Diamond's
Guns, Germs, and Steel, I realized that to create a sustainable culture, we
need to gain a momentum and connectivity that can only come from population
clusters.  All of us moving to one state might be an extreme, but the closer
we come to this, the better, I think.  Reinventing the wheel by yourself out
in the boonies is not the most effective strategy for social change.
 
Rain



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Hi Rain,

A while back there was a movement by the Liberatarian party to have at
least 5,000 of them all move to the same state. They spent years
deciding which state it should be - and they had some incredable
comparative databases with info on all fifty states. Comparisons of gun
laws, homeschooling, raw milk, federal tax dollars recived versus paid,
land area, et.c, et.c. If the state had a small enough population, then
the group of 5,000 of them getting politically active could control the
state Gov't. Having a non-US border was an issue as they hope someday
to withdraw from the Union. I believe they chose NH.

The list of criteria for a good place is about what I am looking for (we
are also tired of trying so hard in poor soils and insane climate). And
I think there are a lot of folks on this list that would agree that is
pretty close to perfect. Why not see if a bunch of folks would be
interested in moving into an area? What area would it be is still the
question. If you knew 'community' would be coming with you - would that
open more potential space?

Marjory




Wells aid. My husband and I kenw we could get a lot more done if we
just focused on our land in a small communitya nd work to create the
community we wanted. We offered monthly taks, movies, speakers, and
numerous workshops and of course, p.c. courses.

Rain Tenaqiya wrote:
> Thanks for your comments, Harold. Sometimes I feel a magazine could be
> made just from these online discussions. I definitely resonate with your
> description of homesteading. On the other hand, I've had my fill of
> community discussions that go nowhere, for years. I've been able to do
> more to become sustainable with just my partner and myself over the past
> five years than any of the communities I've lived in, which have been
> around for decades.
>
> One thing you mentioned which could provide a third way between joining or
> forming a community and striking off on your own is to settle next to an
> existing community, be it a progressive town or ecovillage. That way, you
> can benefit from and contribute to the existing community, without being
> restricted by the group process to the same degree. The hard work of
> establishing the community can now be used to increase its size and impact,
> sort of like tree establishment in open areas. After reading Jared
> Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel, I realized that to create a sustainable
> culture, we need to gain a momentum and connectivity that can only come
> from population clusters. All of us moving to one state might be an
> extreme, but the closer we come to this, the better, I think. Reinventing
> the wheel by yourself out in the boonies is not the most effective strategy
> for social change.
>
> Rain
>
>
>
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