permaculture

["Margaret L. Wilson" <booldawgs@frontiernet.net>]

I think there are many of us that have land that we will need to share in 
the future (near and distant) with people with skills and work ethic.  I 
have been working on my 54 acres for 6 years now and it is nowhere near a 
finished product.  I have had several employees over the last few years. 
None of them would be allowed to live here or be a renter.
Margaret
http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nancy Frank" <oppty@mac.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America


> As long as we are in the conversation.  I didn't set out to purchase
> land for a permaculture farm, but I am a single woman who was raised
> in the city until I was about 30 (now 52), and have 55 acres (30
> woods -- 25 open) in northwestern Wisconsin, with some sheep, llamas,
> chickens, etc., and am very interested in creating more opportunities
> to utilize more of the land for sustainability.  I have a room for
> rent in my 100 year-old farmhouse to a non-smoking woman who is
> interested in producing food from this land, making some sustainable
> changes, and living in a wonderful rural community.  The community is
> eco-friendly, and there are several small start-up sustainable farms
> around.  If anyone knows of someone interested in this opportunity,
> please have them contact me privately.  It could be a seasonal
> rental, or year-round.
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:53 AM, KSantoyo wrote:
>
> > In response to Isabel's original post- not sure what the problem is?!
> > People buying up land and wanting to create a place where people can
> > come learn about growing and living together- ohmigosh- that's
> > horrible!
> >
> > So what if they don't have the skill sets yet...it sounds like they
> > know enough to seek help from people who know more than they
> > do...Isn't that what this whole process is about -education? Learning
> > so that one can become more capable and able to better contribute to
> > the health of the whole?
> >
> > What a resource these new landowners are offering to those who wish
> > they had a place to go get some hands-on experience, or simply
> > practice their passion and skills...
> >
> > As Trudie alludes to, imagine roving bands of skilled permaculturists-
> > permaculture gypsies!- moving from site to site, living for a while in
> > the community, and helping people get their systems properly set up-
> > seems like that would be a good thing...
> >
> > to the good green road,
> >
> > Kathryn Santoyo
> > earthflow.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Udan Farm
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:17 AM
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [permaculture] Trends in America
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I admit, I do not keep up with this list nearly as much as I would
> > like
> > to, but I'd like to start a discussion about a trend I see, and
> > perhaps
> > how to alter it, or harness it, or ???
> >
> > I live in a southern state, so we are fairly far behind in
> > Permaculture,
> > as in, classes being taught, and interest in general.
> > I am a new Permaculture teacher, trying to get the word out, and my
> > partner and I will be student teaching our first design course this
> > winter.
> >
> > What I have noticed here in our southern state is a trend of fairly
> > wealthy couples, or single middle aged women, who "decide" to start a
> > farm, eco-village, or other farm related business, with little prior
> > knowledge. They go buy the land with little realization of what to
> > look
> > for, realize that it's a lot of work, and then want someone to come
> > "assess" their land. Most of them want to host a class (mainly because
> > they are too busy to leave the farm) and hope that it will include
> > lots
> > of people planting trees for them. In other words, they want
> > someone to
> > come "DO" permaculture to their farm, and hope it won't cost much.
> > Generally they also hold down jobs in another town or they live part
> > time in another place. They had enough money to create the
> > beginning of
> > the dream but no clue how to sustain it or build it.
> >
> > I don't want to come off sounding like a whiner here. But this is
> > happening over, and over and over here in my state. You can pretty
> > much
> > map them out, about 100 miles apart.
> > We are feeling very much pulled by every little wind as permaculture
> > teachers, so we are having to be very selective about what we do.
> >
> > What I was wondering-I don't mean to just crab about it- is are any
> > other Permaculture Teachers out there experiencing this, and what
> > do you
> > tell folks, and how could we get them all together? Mind you it's a 5
> > hour drive from one end of the state to another
> >
> >
> > "
> > This is really, in my opinion, an indicator of our larger American
> > society in general. We have enough money to go off in our little
> > corner
> > and live, and we want others to "work for us", as we have come to
> > expect. (I don't think that, but I think American society in
> > general-or
> > at least upper and upper-middle class society does.)
> >
> > Granted the tide seems to have turned, and people may be more serious
> > and honest about wanting to live simply and sustainably...
> >
> > but I just wondered what my fellow Perm. folks out there are
> > experiencing, and how they are turning THE PROBLEM INTO THE SOLUTION.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Isabel
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