permaculture

[Adrienne Rayna <rocknrayna@yahoo.com>]

Earthaven is a continuing.... sustainable / permaculture experimental - 
education center / community in NC. ( I haven't been in recent contact, but I 
 spent a few summers there some years ago)  At that time people from all over 
the states and other countries were making connections there.



"Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net> wrote: Michael Pilarski wrote:

> Hello permaculture community,
> 
> In response to Keith Johnson’s recent proposal for a North American 
> Permaculture Convergence.  I think this is a good idea. Lawrence then 
> suggested we have regional convergences and then hold a North American  
> convergence in cyberspace. I think those are also good ideas. I think that 
> all three ideas are good and are compatible. First have regional 
> convergences. Then have a North American convergence in person, but at the 
> same time expand it to include participation with cyberspace/internet 
> linkages. Being together in person allows a certain type of synthesis (and 
> deepens friendships) that can’t be done on the internet.  Lawrence makes a 
> good point that many people won’t be able to afford the travel expense. 
> That is inevitable. However, at least some representatives of every region 
> should be able to attend. 
> 
> Earlier this month I circulated a proposal to permaculturists in Washington 
> State to hold an Evergreen State Permaculture Convergence in 2008.  The 
> agenda of the convergence would include: 1) Strengthen the friendships and 
> connections between permaculturists in the state. 2) Discuss preparing a 
> statewide brochure listing all the permaculture consultants, education 
> centers, etc who wish to reach more of the public. 3) Strengthen the lines 
> of communication between permaculture people within the state. 4) Make a 
> plan of action of how the permaculture community could assist people in the 
> advent of a natural disaster or economic collapse. 5) Create a permaculture 
> curriculum for a “train the trainers” program in emergency food production.
> 
> A Washington state permaculture convergence is very likely to happen in 
> 2008.  If any reader is interested in attending or helping this convergence 
> happen please contact me. 
> 
> If it precedes a North American convergence we will certainly discuss who 
> would like to go and what we might like to contribute to the agenda.  


This is a great idea. With a beginning in Washington the idea can spread to 
other states and regions within them.
Gradually we could build overlapping local and regional permaculture networks 
with convergences for the smallest to the 
largest nodes in the network.

What's happening permaculturally in North Carolina, anything other than the 
Celo gathering and courses and workshops in 
the NC mountains by Lee, Chuck, others?

I know of nothing happening in the NC central piedmont other than a 
permaculture course at the community college in 
Pittsboro. If there are any folks from NC in this list would any of you be 
interested in creating permaculture events,
potlucks, farm and homestead vists?

LL

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My empathy for what you went through. Nobody should have to do that. It 
brings us right back to community.? We have a farming model in this country 
now that is to isolating.? We need communities of people sharing the burdens, 
for long term success, which is no fault of yours.? Restarting true community 
will be a hard and difficult enterprise, but well worth the effort.

Larry







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From: Sean Albiston <lab@physics.umn.edu>
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] PTSD for farmers??



I feel for him and can relate to some degree.  I went whole hog into
starting a CSA when I was 26.  I spent every bit of my energy trying to
make it work.  I got certified organic, wrote successful grants, used the
best season extension and latest information available.  I invested every
penny I could into time saving equipment and tools.  I put my heart into
it.

I lasted about 6 years, quit last year due to a nagging shoulder injury. 
I have never been happier than I am right now standing on the sidelines. 
Aside from the wear on the body; at times (in my free time and during the
short winter break) I would feel completely detached from reality, always
partly excited to start growing, yet filled with dread and anxiety.  I was
too stressed out from working 16+ hour days and not spending enough time
with my family.  I felt alone and started to resent society at large.  My
wife found me to be unbearable and too focused on 'making it work'.  I
never made much money, always felt the need to grow bigger and better with
no end in sight.  I was never mislead and lied to as the author was,
couldn't even imagine...

I don't regret putting all the time, energy and $$ into the farm; however,
I feel the long term rewards certainly don't add up with the game the way
it is.  It cost me about the same as my 4 year private college degree.  I
learned a whole lot more running the farm than any college could ever
teach me.  I have friends now I wouldn't have found any other way.  Worth
every penny as an experience, just a terrible way to support a family.  I
still have dreams of starting again, I just will have to wait until the
need is apparent, or my kids are old enough to decide if they want that
sort of life.  Farming for profit is HARD.  Gardening for food is EASY.

sean



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