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[Adrienne Rayna <rocknrayna@yahoo.com>]

Yes,  I'd like to see a mailing list for inventors..

I want to convert an apple cider press into a manure press so that the manure 
can be   collected, homogenized and compressed for use of burning in wood 
stoves.  That is, if after I do a little research, I find that burnt manure 
emissions are an ecologically sound choice and investigate such things as 
creosote build up in stove pipes etc...  Any Leads on such info. greatly 
appreciated. 

I work on farm with 21 horses, 16 goats, 6 sheep, two cows creating the raw 
material in abundance daily!  Must be a way to collect this stuff 'clean' and 
use for heat without having to get methane from it first?  Just dry (maybe 
compress) and burn.

New to the list
Adrienne

"Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net> wrote: Lawrence F. London, Jr. 
wrote:
> Keith Johnson wrote:
>>The Transformation Trike 
>>
> 
> That's really good.
> I want to design and build in my shop a 4 wheeled, steerable pedalpower 
> machine that
> lightly tills/scarifies/breaks-the-crust of the surface of large wide tall
> raised garden beds dragging an adjustable tillage tool underneath the 
> chassis down the beds;
> this could also be capable of removing emerging weed seedlings with a 
> change of tillage tool teeth. This could also be a
> walk-behind machine that you push and steer and can lift to keep the 
> tillage tool level with bed surface when 
> encountering discrepancies between bed height and furrows the machine's 
> wheels ride in. I think this can be accomplished 
> with the use of a hydraulic/shock absorber suspension enabling you to tilt 
> the machine in either of four directions, 
> forward or backward or side to side to keep the tiller level with bed 
> surface. These types of shocks are used in 
> openable hatchback or rear windows on cars or trucks (the window in a 
> camper over the tailgate on a truck). The pistons 
> on these shocks have full movement with resistance and stay put in position 
> fairly well when window is raised; this 
> would be perfect for a garden tiller stabilizer/adjustable suspension. 
> Anyone know what these kind of shock absorbers 
> are called?

Would anyone be interested in a new mailing list for appropriate technology, 
a hands-on nuts-and-bolks forum for 
inventors, designers, fabricators, experimenters, manufacturers and end 
users? Discussion could cover
shops, equipment and tooling, materials, supplies, parts and components, the 
design and engineering process,
tools and equipment needed for various uses on the homestead and the people 
around the world who need these things.
Marketing could and should also be covered as there are many new and 
inexpensive opportunities nowadays.

Half of what I do is in that arena, the other half is putting my inventions 
to work on my farm or in my gardens.

Anyone else interested?

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I feel for him and can relate to some degree.  I went whole hog into
starting a CSA when I was 26.  I spent every bit of my energy trying to
make it work.  I got certified organic, wrote successful grants, used the
best season extension and latest information available.  I invested every
penny I could into time saving equipment and tools.  I put my heart into
it.

I lasted about 6 years, quit last year due to a nagging shoulder injury. 
I have never been happier than I am right now standing on the sidelines. 
Aside from the wear on the body; at times (in my free time and during the
short winter break) I would feel completely detached from reality, always
partly excited to start growing, yet filled with dread and anxiety.  I was
too stressed out from working 16+ hour days and not spending enough time
with my family.  I felt alone and started to resent society at large.  My
wife found me to be unbearable and too focused on 'making it work'.  I
never made much money, always felt the need to grow bigger and better with
no end in sight.  I was never mislead and lied to as the author was,
couldn't even imagine...

I don't regret putting all the time, energy and $$ into the farm; however,
I feel the long term rewards certainly don't add up with the game the way
it is.  It cost me about the same as my 4 year private college degree.  I
learned a whole lot more running the farm than any college could ever
teach me.  I have friends now I wouldn't have found any other way.  Worth
every penny as an experience, just a terrible way to support a family.  I
still have dreams of starting again, I just will have to wait until the
need is apparent, or my kids are old enough to decide if they want that
sort of life.  Farming for profit is HARD.  Gardening for food is EASY.

sean