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["Jara" <jara@otenet.gr>]

Thanks a lot Sean.

Andrew.


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> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sean Maley <semaley@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Rhizome culture
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> --- Jara <jara@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > Sean,
> >
> > This is brilliant ! You have put into words here what I have been trying 
> > to
> > express a whole lifetime ! Thanks a lot ! Where did you get the Rhizome
> > Culture concept from ?
> >
> > Andrew.
>
> Ultimately, much of this comes from Daniel Quinn.  More directly, where I 
> picked it up from, would
> be Jeff Vail and his memetic theory of power.  Somehow, all of this seams 
> similar to understanding
> the Tao Te Ching.  We have text after text saying these things, giving 
> words for the concepts, yet
> it sometimes takes making a nuisance of oneself to finally get it.  From 
> finally understanding the
> nature of the problem, so to speak, the conundrum of "what to do" posses 
> itself.  On this, few
> agree.
>
> Distinguishing between rhizome and hierarchy cultures from the Quinn 
> perspective:
> Rhizome, or Leavers believe "We belong to Earth".
> Hierarchy, or Takers believe "the world was made for man and man was made 
> to rule it"
>
> Permaculture within the context of Hierarchy keeps me up at night. 
> Fortunately, the two pose a
> paradox.  Some of the Quinn inspired discussions can be found at 
> anthropic.com , as Toby has
> mentioned and participated over there.  Other Quinn inspired activity 
> places permaculture in the
> realm of "intentional foraging" and provides incite into so called 
> "primitive culture", as Toby
> has discussed at anthropic.
>
> Currently, many more hearts and minds have crossed over than lifestyles. 
> We have the realities of
> hierarchy to consider in how we, as individuals, follow our hearts and 
> minds to the other side,
> beyond civilization.  Many of us reject wealth in an effort to enjoy a 
> simple life and run from
> the problem at the same time.  Unfortunately, wealth is required, so that 
> land can be secured and
> then improved.  With reclaimed land, we can begin to provide place without 
> labor strings attached
> for the wayward and the homeless.  With more reclaimed land, we can then 
> transition the struggling
> burger flippers into an easier, healthier lifestyle.  As the burger 
> flippers and bum disappear,
> the foundation of the hierarchy fails (hierarchy needs you to feel 
> threatened, so work without
> questioning).  With no wayward and struggling masses, there can be no army 
> to come take our land
> back from us.  With no "one way" for destabilizing the labor base, the 
> hierarchy can not fight
> back.  One or two rhizomes won't make it.  This must be a global movement 
> to be effective.
>
>
> -Sean.