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[Martin Naylor <martinwnaylor@yahoo.com.au>]

Hi
  I went to school to play around, i had very little interest in the 
education scene [why i do not know i was only 5 at the beginning]. But now i 
know, the education system is built to turn out robots.
  I forgot to use spell check the grammar is entirely my fault.
  I am also an unemployable beach bum[ I refuse to work unless it is ethical 
moral and sustainable] who used to work as a miner and a brickies labourer 
[born in England so there are different spellings to America], to get any 
dumber then a labourer you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
   
   
  let's try and find out what you did not understand.
   
  Okay we are two minds looking at  a situation we are not in competition we 
are looking observing to see what is false and find out what is true or not
   
  Our minds are made of thoughts
  Thoughts are the result of sensations
  Words are the result of verbalising these thoughts
  From these thoughts and verbalisation's desire is created I want this i 
don't want that, this also eventuates to fear
  This is the origin of the I
   
  This has to be understood by the individual, he can not learn it from any 
other source, it has to be understood from observation of thought from here 
you can gain wisdom.
   
  "Meanings" Thought is the only thing that can make this statement. [It 
doesn't matter which mind made the statement it is still thought].
   
  Death can never be known, until you are dead
   
  Thought [psychological] has been playing this game since we dropped out of 
the trees. [that is when we first started to develop a human brain as 
distinct from an animal brain]. Thought is impermanent so to create 
permanency it creates the thinker, the controller, the actor. This is still 
thought creating this situation. It is false, there is nothing permanent, If 
you have life you must have death. This needs to be understood, but what does 
thought do, it creates cultures and religions to escape the fact, cultures 
are created for other reasons as well usually from fear of other humans [who 
are the same, they have consciousness and a capacity for thought]
   
  So we have the origin thought above, and from these thoughts we develop 
memory, and base or present and future on these false thoughts, such 
ridicules things as fighting for freedom,[freedom like love is a state that 
must have been present at the creation of the Universe].
  Total Failure, we are presently looking at the destruction of the vast 
majority of lie forms on earth [this is no big deal it has happened in the 
past the last time being 80,000 years ago.]
  Psychological thought is of no use at all, my wife did this last week, the 
week before, last year, and the argument drags on. instead of dealing with 
situations as they happen we are left creating images and dealing in images 
[images of the wife doing this doing that] 
  We are not images we are creative evolving living beings.
  Memory is of use in work and communicating only
  Memory is of no use psychologically
  If you are in this state then you are operating from love and freedom.
  You can operate from here only if you understand the use of thought, if you 
do not then thought will step right back in and controll you.
   
  Observe your own thoughts as  you are reading this [exactly what are you 
thinking now, what a nut case this bloke is?] what ever it is you are 
becoming aware of thought, and the thinker which is created by thought.
  This is true or false, again your mind is the only one that can understand 
this you can not be told this by anyone when you understand this then you are 
your own authority, you understand.
  Zone 0, permaculture evolves in zones, zone 0 is the home zone 1 immediate 
use etc 
   
  This is not philosophy this is observation of thought.
   
  "Stand hand in hand and together we will stand on the threshold of a dream" 
- The Moody Blues
   
  Martin
   
  

"E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net> wrote:
  I apologize in advance, because some of this post is critical. Not of the 
individual below, but of the "attitude" (maybe not a good word) his language 
illustrates. I do recognize that every special-interest group has its own 
language, but I have to question the motives behind the language.

If the purpose of Permaculture is to develop small closed groups that can 
survive the coming crises, a special language is fine.

If the purpose of Permaculture is to develop methods that help all species 
and individuals to survive, then the language MUST be understood by truck 
drivers, waiters, clerks, ditch diggers, etc., who, with their votes and 
dollars, make far-reaching decisions.

If I have no idea what is being said, like below, I cannot act on it. Also, 
capitalization, spelling and punctuation can be ignored if self-expression is 
your goal. If COMMUNICATION is your goal, you should adhere to the principles 
of good writing that are commonly accepted and understood. If you "define 
your own meaning", your neighbor won't understand you. If he doesn't 
understand you, he will probably oppose you. Where does that get you?

All of this is just another way of saying that we need to preach to the 
masses, rather than to each other, if we want real change. Please dumb it 
down so I can understand you - I want to learn from you.

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Martin Naylor 
To: permaculture 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] question for list members: is a formalnetiquette 
guide for the PC list desired?


Hi
"We are forced to define our own meanings" 
Who said so, thought is the only thing that could, and in most cases out of 
fear of the unknown which is something that can never be known, things like 
death

Humans have been doing this since they dropped out of the trees [well thought 
has been playing these games] 
through every tribe culture and religion including the present day
So what you have is thought which is entirely built on the past [memory] 
creating the present and projecting into the future with total failure [well 
it will be shortly for the vast majority]
If we could except thought as useful for work and communication and be in the 
ever changing moment then we are at the beginning the journey and the end 
simultaneously
and there is nothing stoping you until thought jumps back in to assert it's 
dominance [observe your own thoughts as your reading and when you finish] 
this is either true or false
I guess this is zone 0 [home] in permaculture terms
Martin

"Lawrence F. London, Jr." wrote:

Is list consensus that a netiquette guide for the PC list
homepage should be created or is an anarcho-unregulated freethinking
eschatological* existential* mode preferred?

* http://www.arcosanti.org/theory/glossary/eschat.html
Paolo Soleri's Glossary of Terms
Eschatological Hypothesis
"An hypothesis framed in the propostion that a meaningful end is in the realm 
of the possible and definitely in the
realm of the desirable. The hypothesis sees the resolution of the becoming 
(of reality) into Omega Seed , that is, into
the reawakening of all the past in a state of total self revelation.
Since the truth is in the making (it is not a given) for the obvious reason 
that reality itself is in the making and the
reality is the only arbiter, in fact the only "definer" of the truth (if it 
is), the eschatological end is not
pre-defined, preordained, predestined, predesigned (all of those are from the 
realm of mandate from above). Therefore
the hypothesis has no guarantee tags in the sense of what and why. The 
grassroots procedure is the one that might
develop the Howness conducive to the slow emergence of the what and why, that 
is, of what the desirable could be."

* http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist
"Existentialism attempts to describe our desire to make rational decisions 
despite existing in an irrational universe. 
Unfortunately, life might be without inherent meaning (existential atheists) 
or it might be without a meaning we can 
understand (existential theists). Either way, the human desires for logic and 
immortality are futile. We are forced to 
define our own meanings, knowing they might be temporary."




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