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["E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net>]

I apologize in advance, because some of this post is critical.  Not of the 
individual below, but of the "attitude" (maybe not a good word) his language 
illustrates.  I do recognize that every special-interest group has its own 
language, but I have to question the motives behind the language.

If the purpose of Permaculture is to develop small closed groups that can 
survive the coming crises, a special language is fine.

If the purpose of Permaculture is to develop methods that help all species 
and individuals to survive, then the language MUST be understood by truck 
drivers, waiters, clerks, ditch diggers, etc., who, with their votes and 
dollars, make far-reaching decisions.

If I have no idea what is being said, like below, I cannot act on it.  Also, 
capitalization, spelling and punctuation can be ignored if self-expression is 
your goal.  If COMMUNICATION is your goal, you should adhere to the 
principles of good writing that are commonly accepted and understood.  If you 
"define your own meaning", your neighbor won't understand you.  If he doesn't 
understand you, he will probably oppose you.  Where does that get you?

All of this is just another way of saying that we need to preach to the 
masses, rather than to each other, if we want real change.  Please dumb it 
down so I can understand you - I want to learn from you.

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Naylor 
  To: permaculture 
  Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [permaculture] question for list members: is a 
formalnetiquette guide for the PC list desired?


  Hi
    "We are forced to define our own meanings" 
    Who said so, thought is the only thing that could, and in most cases out 
of fear of the unknown which is something that can never be known, things 
like death
     
    Humans have been doing this since they dropped out of the trees [well 
thought has been playing these games] 
    through every tribe culture and religion including the present day
    So what you have is thought which is entirely built on the past [memory] 
creating the present and projecting into the future with total failure [well 
it will be shortly for the vast majority]
    If we could except thought as useful for work and communication and be in 
the ever changing moment then we are at the beginning the journey and the end 
simultaneously
    and there is nothing stoping you until thought jumps back in to assert 
it's dominance [observe your own thoughts as your reading and when you 
finish] this is either true or false
    I guess this is zone 0 [home] in permaculture terms
    Martin

  "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net> wrote:
    
  Is list consensus that a netiquette guide for the PC list
  homepage should be created or is an anarcho-unregulated freethinking
  eschatological* existential* mode preferred?

  * http://www.arcosanti.org/theory/glossary/eschat.html
  Paolo Soleri's Glossary of Terms
  Eschatological Hypothesis
  "An hypothesis framed in the propostion that a meaningful end is in the 
realm of the possible and definitely in the
  realm of the desirable. The hypothesis sees the resolution of the becoming 
(of reality) into Omega Seed , that is, into
  the reawakening of all the past in a state of total self revelation.
  Since the truth is in the making (it is not a given) for the obvious reason 
that reality itself is in the making and the
  reality is the only arbiter, in fact the only "definer" of the truth (if it 
is), the eschatological end is not
  pre-defined, preordained, predestined, predesigned (all of those are from 
the realm of mandate from above). Therefore
  the hypothesis has no guarantee tags in the sense of what and why. The 
grassroots procedure is the one that might
  develop the Howness conducive to the slow emergence of the what and why, 
that is, of what the desirable could be."

  * http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist
  "Existentialism attempts to describe our desire to make rational decisions 
despite existing in an irrational universe. 
  Unfortunately, life might be without inherent meaning (existential 
atheists) or it might be without a meaning we can 
  understand (existential theists). Either way, the human desires for logic 
and immortality are futile. We are forced to 
  define our own meanings, knowing they might be temporary."




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