permaculture

[Graham <grahamburnett@blueyonder.co.uk>]

I have to admit that drug culture bores me senseless TBH...

d pfalzer wrote:

> I wonder if when we choose to look to indigenous
> cultures for inspiration on how to create a permanant
> culture and deduce that because they used psychedelic
> mushrooms in a controlled manner, it is okay for us to
> use LSD or whatever drugs we want recreationally -- if
> perhaps we are taking a reference out-of-context
> rather grievously.  What do you think?
>
> --- Graham <grahamburnett@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  
>
> > I'm not that bothered what Bill & dave think about
> > psychedilcs (no 
> > disrespect, chaps), we should be thinking for
> > ourselves, not looking up 
> > to 'leaders'- isn't that the central message of
> > permaculture- or is that 
> > anarchy??? Bill and Dave had great ideas, but I'm
> > sure they'd be the 
> > last to want to see them stand still and
> > undeveloped... permanent 
> > Culture doesn't mean its dead and static, rtaher
> > that its sustainable 
> > and evolving...
> >
> > I also don't see why its 'conservative' to question
> > the benefits of drug 
> > taking- it could equally be equally seen as
> > conservative to promote LSD, 
> > dope, etc as 'mind enhancing'. From my experience
> > around drug users they 
> > often seem to be too stoned and apathetic to be much
> > of a threat to 
> > anything, let alone any sort of a danger to the
> > destructoculture status 
> > quo. All I've ever seen is drugs killing creativity
> > rather than 
> > enhancing it... What destroyed the hippy and punk
> > movements???
> >
> > Yes I know 'legal' drugs do vast amounts of social
> > harm, but I never 
> > claimed that for me beer does anything other provide
> > some enjoyement and 
> > relaxation- though I reckon I've seen more creative
> > ideas born over a 
> > convivial pint or two in the pub than I have in any
> > room full of stoned 
> > hippys rolling joints on a Pink Floyd album sleeve
> > saying "Maaan" alot 
> > before falling asleep (and I am speaking from deeply
> > depressing 
> > experience...)...
> >
> > I don't mean to come across as moralistic or
> > anything, cos that 
> > certainly isn't the perspective I'm coming from, and
> > I certainly believe 
> > that its everybodies right to do what the want with
> > their own bodie- but 
> > as Larry says this should be a free discussion
> > space- but that goes both 
> > ways...
> >
> > Cheers Graham
> >
> > Kaia Bronte wrote:
> >
> >    
> >
> > > If I were new to the permaculture way I would ask,
> > >      
> > based on your statements:
> >    
> >
> > > which psychedelic drugs do Bill Mollison and David
> > >      
> > Holmgren recommend?
> >    
> >
> > > The One Peace be with You,
> > >
> > > / l.s. / Kaia Bronte
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On
> > >      
> > Behalf Of Lawrence F.
> >    
> >
> > > London, Jr.
> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:33 PM
> > > To: permaculture
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] psychedlics and
> > >      
> > permaculture
> >    
> >
> > > Rain Tenaqiya wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > > I'm surprised to find such conservative views
> > > >        
> > about psychedelic substances
> >    
> >
> > > >   
> > > >
> > > >        
> > >
> > >
> > >      
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