permaculture

[d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com>]

I wonder if when we choose to look to indigenous
cultures for inspiration on how to create a permanant
culture and deduce that because they used psychedelic
mushrooms in a controlled manner, it is okay for us to
use LSD or whatever drugs we want recreationally -- if
perhaps we are taking a reference out-of-context
rather grievously.  What do you think?

--- Graham <grahamburnett@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm not that bothered what Bill & dave think about
> psychedilcs (no 
> disrespect, chaps), we should be thinking for
> ourselves, not looking up 
> to 'leaders'- isn't that the central message of
> permaculture- or is that 
> anarchy??? Bill and Dave had great ideas, but I'm
> sure they'd be the 
> last to want to see them stand still and
> undeveloped... permanent 
> Culture doesn't mean its dead and static, rtaher
> that its sustainable 
> and evolving...
> 
> I also don't see why its 'conservative' to question
> the benefits of drug 
> taking- it could equally be equally seen as
> conservative to promote LSD, 
> dope, etc as 'mind enhancing'. From my experience
> around drug users they 
> often seem to be too stoned and apathetic to be much
> of a threat to 
> anything, let alone any sort of a danger to the
> destructoculture status 
> quo. All I've ever seen is drugs killing creativity
> rather than 
> enhancing it... What destroyed the hippy and punk
> movements???
> 
> Yes I know 'legal' drugs do vast amounts of social
> harm, but I never 
> claimed that for me beer does anything other provide
> some enjoyement and 
> relaxation- though I reckon I've seen more creative
> ideas born over a 
> convivial pint or two in the pub than I have in any
> room full of stoned 
> hippys rolling joints on a Pink Floyd album sleeve
> saying "Maaan" alot 
> before falling asleep (and I am speaking from deeply
> depressing 
> experience...)...
> 
> I don't mean to come across as moralistic or
> anything, cos that 
> certainly isn't the perspective I'm coming from, and
> I certainly believe 
> that its everybodies right to do what the want with
> their own bodie- but 
> as Larry says this should be a free discussion
> space- but that goes both 
> ways...
> 
> Cheers Graham
> 
> Kaia Bronte wrote:
> 
> >If I were new to the permaculture way I would ask,
> based on your statements:
> >which psychedelic drugs do Bill Mollison and David
> Holmgren recommend?
> >
> >The One Peace be with You,
> >
> >/ l.s. / Kaia Bronte
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> >[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On
> Behalf Of Lawrence F.
> >London, Jr.
> >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:33 PM
> >To: permaculture
> >Subject: Re: [permaculture] psychedlics and
> permaculture
> >
> >
> >Rain Tenaqiya wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I'm surprised to find such conservative views
> about psychedelic substances
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
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