permaculture

[Jocelyn Paquette & Bob Ewing <sixdegrees@baynet.net>]

Greetings

Tradingpost wrote:

> Most likely your extraction economy is actually extracting wealth from 
> Thunder Bay, with outside companies there that are not recirculating profits 
> within the community.

naturally,

> They get the green light by making jobs, but they run out. So, like many 
> other places they aren't prepared for the decline.

of course,

> Community self sufficiency involves a learning curve, so it's not quick and 
> easy when an extraction economy fails as it must.
>
> But lots more goods and services could be provided by local business, 
> creating jobs and self employment for many others. The basic needs of food, 
> shelter, transportation, and social contact can offer opportunities for more 
> local entrepreneurship.

that is the process we are actively designing, learning as we go.

> Local builders can learn to use more local materials and adapt.

on going work with the earthship and other alternative building methods, 
housing is a major energy consumer here.

> Locals can learn more service trades without going somewhere else to do it. Growing more food locally and learning to work with basic foodstuffs is needed everywhere. Reliable auto mechanics are always in demand, as are the more reliable second-hand vechicles of all kinds.  I'd say it's up to the locals' own ideas and initiative, not up to a "designer" at all. 
>  

well that is where you be wrong, someone needs to facilitate the process 
to get it going in a manner that involves all members of the community, 
we use a participatory planning process which combines my skills and 
knowledge as a certified permaculture designer and a community activist 
working with a social worker and a community development officer as well 
as people who intimately know hunger and poverty. This approach was 
enabled by my education  and action both of which include being a 
certified permaculture designer. as well a me being a local.

BTW I never said it had to be a designer that is your twist on what I 
wrote. my words spoke of opportunities for designers  not that designers 
where the only ones who could make is so. here it has taken diversity 
and slow and small solutions, for example,  to get this rolling,.


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> On 10/20/2004 at 12:47 AM Jocelyn Paquette & Bob Ewing wrote:
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> > so we move out of the cities into the rural area  and then what happens 
> > to the rural areas would they not surpass their carrying capacity?  Here 
> > in Thunder Bay the population is declining, one reason is that as a 
> > natural resource extraction economy we are running out of things to chop 
> > down or dig up. this is an ideal opportunity for designers to show what 
> > can be done.
> >
> > Bob Ewing
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> > Tradingpost wrote:
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> > > One way out of that dilemma would be to go where it's cheaper to live and
> > >      
> > make your own work. There are ways, because other people are doing it.
> > People in rural areas needs goods and services just like city folk. AND if
> > they can get them locally, they're usually happy to give their business to
> > other locals. Permaculture can help with that. I lived in rural North TX
> > for 50 years. I won't go back.
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> > > paul@largocreekfarms.com
> > > http://medicinehill.net
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> > > On 10/19/2004 at 8:55 PM Deborah wrote:
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