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  • From: Jocelyn Paquette & Bob Ewing <sixdegrees@baynet.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] self-sufficiency
  • Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:14:29 -0400

Greetings

Tradingpost wrote:

Most likely your extraction economy is actually extracting wealth from
Thunder Bay, with outside companies there that are not recirculating profits
within the community.


naturally,

They get the green light by making jobs, but they run out. So, like many
other places they aren't prepared for the decline.


of course,

Community self sufficiency involves a learning curve, so it's not quick and
easy when an extraction economy fails as it must.

But lots more goods and services could be provided by local business,
creating jobs and self employment for many others. The basic needs of food,
shelter, transportation, and social contact can offer opportunities for more
local entrepreneurship.


that is the process we are actively designing, learning as we go.

Local builders can learn to use more local materials and adapt.


on going work with the earthship and other alternative building methods, housing is a major energy consumer here.

Locals can learn more service trades without going somewhere else to do it. Growing more food locally and learning to work with basic foodstuffs is needed everywhere. Reliable auto mechanics are always in demand, as are the more reliable second-hand vechicles of all kinds. I'd say it's up to the locals' own ideas and initiative, not up to a "designer" at all.

well that is where you be wrong, someone needs to facilitate the process to get it going in a manner that involves all members of the community, we use a participatory planning process which combines my skills and knowledge as a certified permaculture designer and a community activist working with a social worker and a community development officer as well as people who intimately know hunger and poverty. This approach was enabled by my education and action both of which include being a certified permaculture designer. as well a me being a local.

BTW I never said it had to be a designer that is your twist on what I wrote. my words spoke of opportunities for designers not that designers where the only ones who could make is so. here it has taken diversity and slow and small solutions, for example, to get this rolling,.


paul, webmaster@fedworkerscomp.net

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On 10/20/2004 at 12:47 AM Jocelyn Paquette & Bob Ewing wrote:


so we move out of the cities into the rural area and then what happens to the rural areas would they not surpass their carrying capacity? Here in Thunder Bay the population is declining, one reason is that as a natural resource extraction economy we are running out of things to chop down or dig up. this is an ideal opportunity for designers to show what can be done.

Bob Ewing


Tradingpost wrote:


One way out of that dilemma would be to go where it's cheaper to live and

make your own work. There are ways, because other people are doing it.
People in rural areas needs goods and services just like city folk. AND if
they can get them locally, they're usually happy to give their business to
other locals. Permaculture can help with that. I lived in rural North TX
for 50 years. I won't go back.

paul@largocreekfarms.com
http://medicinehill.net

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On 10/19/2004 at 8:55 PM Deborah wrote:




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