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  • From: "nguyen trung" <nttrung15@hotmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Re: [RE: [permaculture] Money from Gates]]
  • Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:43:45 +0000

Graham,
My response to you was intended to be a compliment. Thanks for an emotionally honest response. To build camp fires we need kindling at the start. If there's some funding, Pc educators may be sent to various regions in the world to initiate programs where none exists. Besides, MSN isn't so bad. Without it we would not able to communicate like this at all (apology if I touch some exposed nerves!). I may be wrong but isn't Pc's philosophy to constructively (and sustainably) use ALL available resources?


From: "Graham Burnett" <grahamburnett@blueyonder.co.uk>
Reply-To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Re: [RE: [permaculture] Money from Gates]]
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:55:14 +0100


----- Original Message -----
From: "nguyen trung" <nttrung15@hotmail.com>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: [RE: [permaculture] Money from Gates]]


> Response to Graham:
> These jokes about pocketing money
> for vacations undermine the seriousness of the situation.


Eh? I didn't make any jokes about pocketing money for vacations. Just
raising the issue of how ethical is it to accept or ask for funding from
organisations that make their profits from raping the earth and the
communities that exist upon it. On permaculture courses we teach about
community economics and how we should spend locally (including LETS, time
banks, barter, skills sharing, gift relationships, etc) to keep money
(energy) cycling within our communties and how the big
corporations/transantionals etc are an 'energy sink', syphoning money
(energy) out of our communities. The next thing we are begging for these
same corporations for grants amd funding, complete with kudos for them and
strings attached, to finance permaculture projects! wheres the Earthcare,
Peoplecare, Fairshares in that?

I realsise this may be simplistic and idealistic, and it's a complex issue,
but it doesn't do any harm to be reminded of some of these points, like I
say I'm just chucking into the pot of what intelegent people are able to
make up their own minds about. I'm sure the final decision won't be based on
my simplistic and biased ranting.

Second point, the whole 'funding' issue is a double edged sword, it may
ostensibly enable the realisation of big dreams, but can also foster the
false illusion that money is the answer to all our problems, whilst causing
us to neglect the very real value of human capital and creative thinking.
Personally i think much more creatively when I'm skint and have to make do
with not much at all than when I'm (comparitively) well off. I'm also far
less inclined to waste resources & energy.

Cheers Graham (more thoughts on money at
http://www.gb0063551.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/money/index.htm)




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