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  • From: "Kelly Finigan" <kfinigan@telus.net>
  • To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for blackberries]
  • Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:56:42 -0600

Caragana / pea shrub:

I'm referring to Ken Ferns "plants for a future" (p46-7). He says it grows
better in the east UK (where the climate is less moist he says)...both here
(southern Alberta Canada) Jerome's place (Colorado) are warm summer, cold
winter, and on the dry side - - caragana love these conditions...

In terms of where to buy different species: around here, local nurseries
(generic garden centres, not specialised permie nurseries) sell several
species in varying sizes, etc (e.g. lower bush forms, taller tree forms,
etc) ...I'd suggest trying nurseries in areas like the prairie and mountain
provinces / states of north america (or go straight to the original source -
Siberia - if its closer for you...)

ciao,
Kelly

Kelly Finigan, M.Sc. P.Eng., Permaculture Designer
Essential Elements Inc.
744 - 4 Street NW Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1P2
1-403-283-7270 fax 283-9783 kfinigan@telus.net
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From: "Paul J Foster" <pj_foster@uk.ibm.com>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for blackberries]


> Is this something that can be grown in the UK?
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> The Siberian pea is the one we use the most here in our forest garden.
we
> have over 100 planted some over 15 yreas. we also have 10 other nft's
that
> work at our 7200 ft site ,but the pea shrub is the most agressive and
> produces lots of fodder for chickens and rabbits. We coppice for mulch
and
> feed. the anamals love the leaves and rabbits eat the bark. lots of
> minerals. I have six varites of the pea shrub to use in different garden
> designs. ONe is collamer. We also plant it around our strawyard for
shade
> and food for the chickens. I will be trying out another dozen types in
the
> new 60' greenhouse forest garden design. In Calgary they used it in the
> ond
> wind brakes, it grows 20' tall they also used it to grind up and put in
> bread to increase the protien content. jerome
> --
> Jerome Osentowski, Director
> Central Rocky Mountain Permaculture Institute
> PO Box 631
> Basalt, CO 81621 U.S.A.
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> Tel/fax (970) 927-4158 E mail: jerome@crmpi.org
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> For more information, please visit our web site at <<www.crmpi.org>>
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> >From: "Kelly Finigan" <kfinigan@telus.net>
> >To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: Re: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for blackberries]
> >Date: Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 10:37 PM
> >
>
> > yes, caragana = Siberian pea tree
> >
> >
> > Kelly Finigan, M.Sc. P.Eng., Permaculture Designer
> > Essential Elements Inc.
> > 744 - 4 Street NW Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1P2
> > 1-403-283-7270 fax 283-9783 kfinigan@telus.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Waldrop" <rmwj@soonernet.com>
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for
blackberries]
> >
> >
> >> Is caragena the same as the Siberian pea tree?
> >>
> >> Robert Waldrop, OKc
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kelly Finigan <kfinigan@telus.net>
> >> >I haven't seen anyone do this, but I think Mollison has a sketch with
> >> >caragana and chicken runs. I HAVE heard of Russians eating the beans,
> >> either
> >> >as vegetable or ground as flour. I have eaten some of the beans and
> >> found a
> >> >range of flavours - from nice to quite bitter. Maybe a potential to
> >> select
> >> >good tasting varieties and breed for perennial protein?
> >> >
> >> >The bushes (normally 10 to 30 feet tall) can also be coppiced and
> >> then form
> >> >very thick hedges good for keeping people (or animals) in/out.
> >> >
> >> >ciao,
> >> >Kelly
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kelly Finigan, M.Sc. P.Eng., Permaculture Designer
> >> >Essential Elements Inc.
> >> >744 - 4 Street NW Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1P2
> >> >1-403-283-7270 fax 283-9783 kfinigan@telus.net
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> >> >To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:29 AM
> >> >Subject: [permaculture] [Fwd: Re: [NAFEX] re: shade for blackberries]
> >> >
> >> >
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