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Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers
- From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
- To: Permaculture Plant Database <pcplantdb@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:11:25 -0800
Richard Morris wrote:
Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
Stephanie Gerson wrote:
As far as applying IE to HG. Well. Remember how I keep emphasizing that I want the message to match the medium - both frontend and backend? And if the message is about webs and relationships, the medium should embody them too. So:
Frontend = webs/relationships = GBI, groxis, whatever else someone (please?) researches that is similar in UI to what are trying to do
- Job I -
Webs and relationships are data, information, text information. First and foremost that
needs to be delivered to the user, even if it is in its most basic form, text, presented
in a website using XHTML, etc. (lists, paragraphs, graphical data, with checkboxes,
search forms and more to refine the quality of the data presented).
This large task needs to be accomplished first.
- Job II -
A fancy front end transforming this data with a GBI or something else represents a step beyond,
a whole other project for HG, something funding should be procured for separately.
I say this because Job I seems to be such an immense project, the heart of HG, without which Job II
(which could be farmed out to some other entity) cannot be accomplished.
Just a thought.
LL
Compleatly agree with this. Job I is the priority. Creating
a system for user input is high on lists of things to do.
Rich
An example of why the DB+data+input/output component is of primary importance:
Consider me a typical enthusiastic user looking for info to add to HG.
Yesterday I was thinking of looking through a old forages/feeds/cover crop
agricultural book (textbook) with lots of cool info, like how to plant and
use kudzu.
I was thinking of going through the whole book, gleaning material here and
there and manually
typing up a number of text files to upload to my website and into the pc
wiki. This would be
something far more worthwhile doing if, by going to a little more trouble, I
entered
all this information into a database, plant by plant. I could take it several
steps further
by collecting data on those same plants from other sources plus photos and
other artwork
and submiting that to the database as well.
Just get people started expounding on their favorite plants and their
favorite gardening and farming topics
and they will probably take their time to prepare and submit some pretty high
quality resources to PIW.
We're talking basics here.
LL
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[pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers,
Stephanie Gerson, 12/11/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers, John Schinnerer, 12/12/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers,
Stephanie Gerson, 12/16/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 12/16/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers,
Richard Morris, 12/16/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers, Lawrence F. London, Jr., 12/16/2004
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[pcplantdb] Job One,
John Schinnerer, 12/17/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Job One,
Bear K, 12/17/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] Job One, Richard Morris, 12/17/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Job One,
Chad Knepp, 12/17/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] Job One, Bear K, 12/17/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] Job One, John Schinnerer, 12/18/2004
- [pcplantdb] New site design updates, Bear K, 12/18/2004
- [pcplantdb] New site design updates, Chad Knepp, 12/18/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] New site design updates, John Schinnerer, 12/19/2004
- Re: [pcplantdb] Job One, Chad Knepp, 12/18/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Job One,
Bear K, 12/17/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers,
Richard Morris, 12/16/2004
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Re: [pcplantdb] Industrial Ecology for the Disbelievers,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 12/16/2004
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