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  • From: Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [nafex ibiblio list] Autumn Olive
  • Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:57:43 -0700

Thanks, Matt. Some good points to consider. I don't think it would be a pollinator issue. There's lots of Russian olive around and they always set fruit. I imagine they use the same pollinators. It could just be that we have too much cold weather when they are flowering but, hmm, wouldn't Russian olive also be affected? Could the two species be that different in their flowering times? Could it be that certain specimens are just not good fruiters for some reason?

I think I'll try another autumn olive variety from One Green World and see if that plant sets fruit or possibly helps my original plant set fruit. I'm also going to try Shepherdia, which, unlike Eleagnus, comes in male and female varieties. Hey,maybe somebody slipped me a Shepherdia instead of an Eleagnus when I ordered my first autumn olive. I did finally find out how to distinguish them. Shepherdia has opposite leaves and Eleagnus has alternate.

Anybody else have any relevant experience??

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's Test Prep Publications
800-353-4898 day or eve, 7 days
(In NM, 505-281-0684)



On 1/10/2012 7:41 AM, Matt Demmon wrote:
I'd rather talk about fruit than invasives. ;) Jay, I don't know if
this helps, but there are many many wild stands of Autumn Olive around
here, plenty of them to ensure pollination. However, I've noticed that
fruit set is very sporadic. Some shrubs some years will be laden with
berries, other none. I haven't paid enough attention to detect a
pattern, but I wonder if it is weather related, or if local
pollinators are not especially fond of autumn olive and they are only
pollinated well by honeybees. Or if it's genetic, because some stands
seem to produce well most years. Anyways, it could be that they are
not self-fertile, or it could be something else!

-matt
z5 se MI

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jay Cutts<orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
While we're on autumn olives, I may have asked this before but I'm
wondering about self-fruitfulness. I have an autumn olive that is at
least 10 years old and has never had fruit (maybe it had one, once). I'm
at 7000 ft in NM. I suppose either it is having its flowers killed by
late frost or else it may need a second tree. In most areas with autumn
olive there are wild trees all over the place to provide pollen. Not
here. I tried to grow a second tree but it died. Does anyone have any
insights?

Also, what about Shepherdia? It seems really close to autumn olive. I'm
wondering if Shepherdia might fruit where autumn olive has failed. Ideas??

Regards,

Jay

Jay Cutts
Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
Lead Author, Barron's Test Prep Publications
800-353-4898 day or eve, 7 days
(In NM, 505-281-0684)



On 1/9/2012 8:34 AM, Road's End Farm wrote:
But I don't think anybody in this conversation has recommended any
such thing as "massive removal in areas where they are not a problem".

What I was talking about was that it's not a good idea to ship plant
matter from one continent to another without checking whether, not
only the plant matter itself, but any diseases or pests it might be
carrying, could cause a problem.

Someone else suggesting using populations already present, instead of
importing additional material from elsewhere.

Neither of those are "hysterical" recommendations.

I like organic practices at least as well as you do. But that's really
a separate issue from the invasiveness question. Even when growing
organically -- maybe especially when growing organically -- one needs
to pay attention to whether what one is planting is suited to the
specific area it's to be grown in.



-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale



On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:21 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

On 1/8/2012 11:13 PM, Road's End Farm wrote:
Because a plant, insect, fungus, etc. does not cause a problem in one
area doesn't mean that people are "hysterical" to say that it's
causing problems somewhere else.
Its hysterical to recommend massive removal in areas where they are
not
a problem, which seems to be happening. I also challenge, rightfully
so,
claims of "invasives" _causing problems_; i.e. unwarranted trumped up
charges against a plant. Often, follow the money trail to see the root
cause of this. I grant no special consideration for conventional
agriculture, i.e. broadacre monocrop farming; everything other than
the
cash crop is invasive. They need to practice natural farming. The
third
world will not starve w/o conventional, chemical-based or gmo
agriculture, a ploy to gain control of a nation's food supply,
destroying traditional farming infrastructure in the process. Again, I
challenge the "causing problems" rationale to justify eradication of
certain plants. To tell homeowners that they need to go out and cut
down
and dig up eleagnus wherever it is found is ludicrous and ridiculous.
Look at the lists of invasive plants and think about how many have
positive attributes and can easily be controlled with careful
planning and manual labor. Less TV and more hand weeding.
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