North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio

[Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>]

What would be the benefit of yahoo?

I can tell you one problem with yahoo:  If you use a yahoo group they own all 
the content, and it's very hard to get it "out" again. That's why the archive 
came from my hard-drive and not from yahoo when the list moved.

By the way, the mailing list started somewhere else, and the somewhere else 
was purchased by yahoo. Yahoo was never a comfortable host for nafex.

If the goal is to restrict membership on this list to paid-up members of 
NAFEX, I believe that can be done on ibiblio. This appears to be an ordinary 
"mailman" mailing list. I have administered other mailman lists, and the list 
owner can screen members before allowing them to join, and can remove members 
at any time. I personally think it would be unwise to do that, but (Lawrence, 
correctme if I am wrong) that can be done without making any real changes to 
the list.
-- 
Ginda

Typed with Swype. Who knows what I intended to say?

Idell Weydemeyer <iwgarden@earthlink.net> wrote:

>How long ago was the tryout for Yahoo? Have any conditions changed?
>
>Idell
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence F.
>London,
>Jr.
>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:51 AM
>To: nafex ibiblio mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nafex ibiblio list] NAFEX fora
>
>On 12/20/2011 11:08 AM, david.maxwell@dal.ca wrote:
>
>> of NAFEX).  They lucked into ibiblio as a host for their new forum.
>(Ibiblio has nothing
>> whatsoever to do with NAFEX, or indeed any other of the hundreds of
>special interest groups
>> who use their - free -  service.  It is a public service run by "a
>collaboration of the Center for
>> the Public Domain and The University of North Carolina - Chapel
>Hill".
>They take no interest
>> in the actual content, but provide the infrastructure to host the
>storage
>and distribution of this
>> content.  Now, the forum was to serve the function of information
>exchange
>for NAFEX
>> members, so it was, quite reasonably, named "nafex.iblio".  However,
>owing
>to the nature of
>> ibiblio, which is completely open, subscriptions to the forum were
>not
>restricted to dues-
>
>The original NAFEX forum was on Yahoo which turned out not to be a very
>
>useful host. After talking with Greg Miller and Ginda Fisher I 
>volunteered to have ibiblio create a new mailing list for NAFEX to 
>replace the one at Yahoo. Ginda sent me the message archives and I sent
>
>those to ibiblio who created the list and installed the archives for us
>
>to build on. I started the list and share ownership of it. ibiblio
>hosts 
>it. ibiblio has no involvement with any of their lists other than
>making 
>sure they work properly and are secure and backed up and are used
>within 
>legal bounds.
>
><...>
>
>> Now we get to the meat.  My own feeling is that a listserv serves
>this
>specific need better
>> than a web-based forum which requires logging in, and Midfex might be
>wise
>to let NAFEX
>> be the test of this.  That is, wait awhile before going down this
>road,
>and see whether NAFEX
>
><...>
>
>> actually can make a go of it.  And, no, "the NAFEX administrator" is
>not
>planning anything
>> one way or another in terms of keeping the iblio forum going, because
>it
>is not hers to
>> exercise any control of.  It belongs to ibiblio, and they have
>neither
>incentive to make any
>> changes, nor expressed intention of doing so.
>
>ibiblio exercises no control over their lists other than technical and 
>legal. In other words ibiblio has no involvement with this list other 
>than that. They have neither the time or staff to oversee the day to
>day 
>workings of their lists. Also, they are currently not accepting any
>more 
>requests for lists to be hosted by them, so, what is there now is all 
>there ever will be and the names of those existing lists can not be 
>changed; they either continue or are deleted at the request of list 
>owners. Everything else is the responsibility of the list owners, in 
>this case I and one other person, as Sherwin owns his.
>
>> And, as a wholly gratuitous comment, my personal feeling is that
>NAFEX,
>(and Midfex!) might
>> be better carving out a "market" in things that are not served by any
>other entity, rather than
>> trying to compete for a function that may be better served by some
>other
>entity.
>
>There are plenty of ways that this list can collaborate and cooperate 
>with NAFEX for its benefit as well as that of the list community. I
>have 
>written Deb about this, posted here, and am ready to do whatever is
>needed.
>
>Using this list (mailing list, forum, listserv, etc.) is accomplished 
>using three simple procedures:
>
>1) point your email to the mailing list or privately to any subscribers
>2) point your web browser to the message archives at the list homepage
>3) point your search criteria to the Google search box in your web
>browser
>
>Another fruit-less post.
>
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Lawrence London
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