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  • From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
  • To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Black Monukka Grape Opinions
  • Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 6:25:05 -0400

How does Jupiter compare to NY Muscat?
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Ginda

..... Original Message .......
On Wed, 20 May 2009 19:29:55 -0700 "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
wrote:
> Jupiter is a seedless muscat ( muscat is a very rich, aromatic
> flavor)
>and it's quite productive. However, given that the U. of Arkansas uses
>a spray program on it, it's not likely to be particularly resistant to
>disease. Possibly somewhat less resistant than Concord, depending on
>where it's grown.
> Seedlessness in grapes all traces back to one or two vinifera grapes.
>
>Since vinifera is an old world species, it has very little resistance
>to American grape diseases. In crossing it to American species, only a
>small percentage of the offspring are seedless, and only a few of
>those are good enough to even be considered as new varieties. So
>breeders select for seedlessness first and vine traits second, Since
>disease can be sprayed, resistance necessarily has to be down the list
>of breeding objectives. That is, if you selected the seedlings for
>disease resistance first, and looked for good seedless types among
>those resistant vines, you might have to grow many thousands of vines
>to find one good, disease resistant seedless selection.
> There will be good disease resistant seedless grapes eventually, but
>for now the most resistant grapes are seeded.
>=Lon Rombough
>NEW grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a
>short, low resolution clip here:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
>Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
>http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association
>"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
>For all other things grape, http://www.vitisearch.com
>A video about The Grape Grower :
>http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
>On May 20, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Mark Angermayer wrote:
>
>Lon,
> 
>I've heard some good things about Jupiter..  While it may not be
>"highly" disease resistant, is it reasonably easy to grow in areas
>where it's not a desert (i.e. Midwest)?  I've heard glowing reviews
>about the taste.
> 
>Mark
>KS
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lon J. Rombough
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Black Monukka Grape Opinions
>>
>> At present there aren't any highly disease resistant seedless, so if
>> you want a grape that won't need disease control, expect seeds. The
>> seedless with relatively good resistance for a seedless grape is Mars,
>> but it still needs as much disease control as Concord.
>> You might consider some of the varieties of T.V. Munson, such as
>> America, Carman, Bailey, Champanel, and a number of others. To read
>> about Munson's work try "Foundations of American Grape Culture". It
>> can be read online at:
>> http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=3070288
>> -Lon Rombough
>> NEW grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a
>> short, low resolution clip here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
>> Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
>> http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association
>> "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
>> For all other things grape, http://www.vitisearch.com
>> A video about The Grape Grower :
>> http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
>> On May 20, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Ron wrote:
>>
>> No, actually I chose it from Burnt Ridge just going by the description
>> and wanting a dark grape for fresh eating.  They didn't warn me but I
>> guess they assume I knew what I was doing.  So how would a person know
>> if any variety was suited for SE USA? (not the deep south like the
>> gulf coast).  What should I look for if this one does poorly? 
>> Thanks, Ron 
>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Lon J. Rombough
>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Black Monukka Grape Opinions
>>>
>>> No denying that Black Monukka makes good raisins. It just isn't
>>> suited for the eastern U.S. Heck, I have the variety myself and even
>>> here in Oregon it's chancy because it will crack and spoil if there's
>>> rain at ripening time.
>>> -Lon Rombough
>>> NEW grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a
>>> short, low resolution clip here:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
>>> Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
>>> http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association
>>> "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
>>> For all other things grape, http://www.vitisearch.com
>>> A video about The Grape Grower :
>>> http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
>>> On May 20, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Spidra Webster wrote:
>>>
>>> If you manage a successful crop in spite of what Lon says about it,
>>> I've tasted Monukka raisins and they're better than raisins made from
>>> Thompson Seedless, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
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