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["Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>]

Well said, Lon.    Hector Black, Tenn.


On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:53:04 -0600, "loneroc" <loneroc@mwt.net> said:
> Hail to all newcomers to the list!
> 
> For those who aren't regulars to this list, there are probably 20-30 or
> so
> long term residents and any number of itinerant guests.  Organic vs.
> non-O
> is a perennial topic that new visitors raise and this is always good for
> a
> flurry of posts dealing with poison, science, religion, capitalism, etc.
> Sometimes visitors bring an inadvertently strident tone to discussions
> without realizing that the tone of the list quite genteel--somewhat
> surprising because the list is populated by fiercely independent and
> intellectually coherent humans who are passionate about fruit-growing and
> who clearly have very strong opinions about how life should be lived.  I
> think that very few of us would be happy living the superficial lives we
> see
> all around us.  Despite very strongly held points of view people do their
> best to calmly provide information to all comers and though we generally
> stick to the facts, waxing poetic is still desirable (cute post,
> Mango)---this is not a scientific journal.
> 
> I recall that some of my first comments were, in hindsight, sharper than
> need be and I've noticed that I'm not the only one who has followed the
> pattern.  When one doesn't know the people on the other end of the line
> it
> is easy to slip into a cable news style debate.  After several years of
> participation I feel that I "personally" know many of you (although I
> suspect that my mental pictures of your physical appearances have little
> connection to reality;-) and while I am happy to get into a spirited
> debate
> now and then I would never shout at my friends.  I don't feel the need to
> trumpet my own positions like I did at first (and still continue to do in
> most areas of my life).  I am generally content with a passing
> observation
> (appreciation?) of the philosophical differences that NAFEXers
> demonstrate
> without needing to put in my two cents on every controversy, though I
> can't
> always resist tossing in a penny.
> 
> Fruit growing is the most difficult and complex area of horticulture, in
> part because of the very long time commitment needed for even the most
> rudimentary attempts, and there is nowhere better on the net (that I've
> found) to tap into hundreds of years worth of fruit growing experience
> and
> expertise.
> 
> Welcome,
> 
> Steve Herje, lone Rock, WI USDA zone 3.
> 
> PS:  It's OK to give Mr. Olenio a rough time now and then, though.  He
> seems
> to be able to give and take with the best.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mangodance" <bmn@iglou.com>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Organicism
> 
> 
> > Alan Haigh wrote:
> >
> > > "Nah.  Many haven't been so quick to embrace modern chemistry in every
> > > other aspect of our existence."
> > >
> > > Father, who are these many who don't embrace the gas combustion engine,
> > > along with all the plastics used in the vehicles they power, strange
> > > fluids to stop them from overheating, miracle drugs in times of
> > > sickness, miracle fabrics to shield us from the cold, all the many
> > > products of the industrial age.  Are these people not members of some
> > > kind of cult.  Can I join them, these praticioners of Organicism, and
> > > enjoy life of a simpler and kinder age when the only fear that consumed
> > > me was where would come my next meal?
> >
> > And he said, "Rise up from the petrochemical ooze and be reborn.  These
> > simple people are not luddites, but practical folks eager to help these
> > pilgrims of the polarity find that there are many shades of grey, as
> > well as colors, in an otherwise black-and-white world.  Complexity
> > abounds.  Embrace it.  Seek these moderates and ye may find discussions
> > of food which need not include engines, Enzite, nor even polyester.
> > Find them and you may well find a simpler, kinder discussion replaces
> > your fears.  You may even find no enemies exist.  You may find harmony."
> >
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