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1. Re: giant red plums (MARIE ASHTON)
2. Re: giant red plums (road's end farm)
3. Re: Goji and pollination (Donna &/or Kieran)
4. Re: giant red plums (Michael Nave)
5. Seckel pears (William C. Garthright)
6. Re: Goji and pollination (John S)
7. Re: prunus seed stratification (Del Stubbs)
8. Re: Seckel pears (Ginda Fisher)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:31:28 -0500
From: "MARIE ASHTON" <bwoodtx@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] giant red plums
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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The fact that the seed seperates easily, I presume to mean it is a freestone
or semi-freestone. As most Asian (Japanese) plums are clingstones, this
limits the number of possible cultivars. There are only a very few Japanese
plums that are freestones. None of the orginal Japanese Plums imported by
Luther Burbank were freestones. Only after crossing with other plum species
did some few freestone varieties emerge.
The fact that it is maturing this late in the season also limits the choice
of varieties. There is a variety called Angeleno that ripens about now but I
am not sure if it is a freestone or semi-freestone.
Regards,
Richard Ashton
Oak Creek Orchard
www.oakcreekorchard.com
bwoodtx@verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Nave" <jmichaelnave@yahoo.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] giant red plums
> 4041 is the code for red plums. 4042 is the code for
> "large red plums". Large plums may actually be priced
> more than pluots (3278) in some areas.
>
>
> --- Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Heart shaped - skin from light to dark red with some
>> areas of bloom.
>> Skinny little stem - how did that ever hold such a
>> big fruit?
>>
>> Inside is very pale orange and finely textured which
>> is why it slices
>> so neatly.
>>
>> If it is a pluot, why would they label it 4042?
>> Pluots cost a lot
>> here, so someone is losing money if that is what it
>> is.
>>
>>
>> Diane
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:22:27 -0400
From: road's end farm <organic101@linkny.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] giant red plums
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Oct 11, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Michael Nave wrote:
> I bought a couple of monstrous red plums here in
> California today although they may not be what Diane
> has. These may actually be pluots. They are very firm
> with very good flavor.
>
> It's odd because as strawberries have grown in size
> through the years their flavor and sweetness has
> almost disappeared, but as plums have grown their
> flavor has remained good.
Interesting. California plums (of whatever size) bought in upstate New
York grocery stores were consistently so tasteless that I quit buying
them years ago.
Of course, since I've quit buying them, I can't guarantee that none of
them taste good. : )
--Rivka
Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:26:53 -0500
From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow@cookeville.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Goji and pollination
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I have read that lycium was naturalized in parts of Virginia, so presumably it
has managed to set fruit there. I assume that would be along the coastal plain,
in sandy soil, as I can't get the plants to grow at all. I could get them up to
maybe an inch, and then - this was back in the days when it still rained here -
it would rain and they would all die. I figured it was something to do with the
clay soil, as even in pots I'd have them in a clayey mix. I did have one plant
that I'd bought, it sat down by the creek for a couple of years, didn't grow but
didn't die till I dug it up and potted it. The soil would have been very acid
down there by the creek. I probably had some lime in the potting soil, so maybe
they DON'T like alkaline soil. Donna
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Nave <jmichaelnave@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] giant red plums
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I would imagine the ones that are sent to NY are
picked early. California plums I buy here in
California are usually very good.
--- road's end farm <organic101@linkny.com> wrote:
>
> On Oct 11, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Michael Nave wrote:
>
> > I bought a couple of monstrous red plums here in
> > California today although they may not be what
> Diane
> > has. These may actually be pluots. They are very
> firm
> > with very good flavor.
> >
> > It's odd because as strawberries have grown in
> size
> > through the years their flavor and sweetness has
> > almost disappeared, but as plums have grown their
> > flavor has remained good.
>
> Interesting. California plums (of whatever size)
> bought in upstate New
> York grocery stores were consistently so tasteless
> that I quit buying
> them years ago.
>
> Of course, since I've quit buying them, I can't
> guarantee that none of
> them taste good. : )
>
> --Rivka
> Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:58:00 -0500
From: "William C. Garthright" <billg@inebraska.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] Seckel pears
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I was glad to see Seckel pears in my local grocery store today, and very
surprised at how small they are (I'd never seen them before). But they
were very tasty.
Online, there seems to be some disagreement about Seckel pears. Some
sites say that they need another variety for cross-pollination, and some
sites say that they don't. Anyone here know? I wouldn't mind planting a
dwarf tree, but I'm not sure if I have room for two (rather, I've got
other things I'd like to plant, and I'm running out of room).
If I do need two varieties (I have Asian pears, but apparently they
bloom too early), what would you recommend for another good-eating pear
- something compatible with Seckel, but that maybe ripens at a different
time?
Thanks,
Bill
Lincoln, NE (zone 5)
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Goji and pollination
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Donna, I guess I should pH test the soil it is growing in, rather than
speculate. Mine grows like a weed and I have to periodically hack some of it
back to keep it reasonable. I suspect that it may not like too much water, as
spring growth is a bit slow, then it explodes in mid summer. Paradoxically,
4"-10" cuttings of wood slightly less than pencil diameter start in water for me
very easily with almost 100% success, as well as 4-6" cuttings in potting soil
sealed in a plastic bag.
John
Donna &/or Kieran <holycow@cookeville.com> wrote:
I have read that lycium was naturalized in parts of Virginia, so
presumably it has managed to set fruit there. I assume that would be along the
coastal plain, in sandy soil, as I can't get the plants to grow at all. I could
get them up to maybe an inch, and then - this was back in the days when it still
rained here - it would rain and they would all die. I figured it was something
to do with the clay soil, as even in pots I'd have them in a clayey mix. I did
have one plant that I'd bought, it sat down by the creek for a couple of years,
didn't grow but didn't die till I dug it up and potted it. The soil would have
been very acid down there by the creek. I probably had some lime in the potting
soil, so maybe they DON'T like alkaline soil. Donna
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:00:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Del Stubbs <northernlights2n@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] prunus seed stratification
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Jerry, I have done it in bags in the refrigerator, but often as not forget them
or have
then rot. Now I have more consistent luck washing them as clean as I reasonably
can,
mixing them with sphagnum moss, putting it all together into salvaged window
screen,
rolling up the edges, burying under leaves and a bit of soil. & with a big well
marked
stake to find next spring,
Del Z3a
--- waayupnorth <waayupnorth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is stratification effective for whole prunus fruits,
> in other words seeds with the flesh and skin still
> attached? If so, do the fruits need to be dried
> first? For stratification I'm thinking about using a
> sand medium. Would the sand need to be sterilized?
> If I were to stratify the seeds in plastic bags in a
> refrigerator would it be OK to keep the bags sealed?
> Why or why not?
>
> Jerry Hapka
> Northwest MN
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 8:05:24 -0400
From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Seckel pears
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My uncle has a pear. It was sold as something else, but appears to be
seckel based on its fruit. It started fruiting when we didn't know of any
other pears in the area. It fruited more after a younger pear started to
flower, but that might have been due to greater maturity - it was only a
couple years after the 'seckel' started flowering.
Raccoons have nearly killed both trees, eating the bark in the winter. The
pear bark seems to attract raccoons shortly after the trees come into
bearing.
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...... Original Message .......
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:58:00 -0500 "William C. Garthright"
<billg@inebraska.com> wrote:
>I was glad to see Seckel pears in my local grocery store today, and very
>surprised at how small they are (I'd never seen them before). But they
>were very tasty.
>
>Online, there seems to be some disagreement about Seckel pears. Some
>sites say that they need another variety for cross-pollination, and some
>sites say that they don't. Anyone here know? I wouldn't mind planting a
>dwarf tree, but I'm not sure if I have room for two (rather, I've got
>other things I'd like to plant, and I'm running out of room).
>
>If I do need two varieties (I have Asian pears, but apparently they
>bloom too early), what would you recommend for another good-eating pear
>- something compatible with Seckel, but that maybe ripens at a different
>time?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>Lincoln, NE (zone 5)
>
Bill, I have seen Seckels consistantly bare here in the northeast without
apparent cross pollination. Pears are a bit difficult to predict as are
some other fruit species in terms of pollination requirements. In southern
Calif. Bartletts consistantly produce without another variety because they
can bare without seeds if the weather is warm in spring.
Where Seckels bare without the benifit of other pollen I've never checked
for seeds so I don't know if they are receptive to their own pollen, if so,
this would mean that they're probably self-fruitful in all climates.
>Alan Haigh southeastern NY
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