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[hans brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>]

Hallo Rivka and hallo Loneroc,

it's been a great pleasure to read your very nice contributions 
concerning that sad New Zealand Bird Blasting subject!!!
Hopefully all people did understand the article in all respect... the 
blasting, the half-killing, the torturing for days for many days...

I think, especially for people in foreign countries the combination of 
this Bird-Blasting-Crime and the word "APPLAUD"
("... applaud the killing of so many starlings in another country...) is 
only shocking!
Or e.g. "... women and dogs that do better when beaten?" from the same 
contributor.
Do we live still in the middle-age?  Where people e.g. applauded when a 
person is executed?
I am sure NAFEX is read in many other countries...to be anonymous means 
not the right to type any words!

I think you are very right, it is always a very good possibility to 
change things, if more customers are buying with more responsibility.
Just to make the apple story from New Zealand more clear: The production 
is more or less the same like in many other countries, but because of 
the very long ship-transport (18 000 km to EU) they are adding too many 
fungicides and insecticides to the surface. A guy who was working at a 
New Zealand plantation told, the owner is never eating his own apples, 
if they are prepared for shipping abroad.
Till a New Zealand apple is at Germany it consumed the same energy like 
a German apple is kept inside a fridge-house for 18 month.
The fact, that most customers (I guess 95%) do not even like a small 
spot on apple surfaces, is an other story...
I think, if people would see the inside of some hog, turkey, chicken... 
farms AT GERMANY, they wold never ever eat meat from those companies or 
at all.
Unfortunately many people are not informed and are not even interested 
to be informed.
The same with the big logging companies who are creating the world 
largest "strip-mine vast mountainsides" at Canada, at a well educated, 
developed an civilized "Western" country. As an example for the less 
educated/developed countries?
Anyhow, we Europeans are consuming also your Canadian trees just as 
simple paper. A hundred (or more) years old Canadian tree just to be a 
simple unwanted printed advertising paper or tissue paper finally...
We have the right AND the moral obligation to be informed. To find the 
truth of all that many possible informations , is an other 
story/difficulty...
But we have the access to collect informations, many people at less 
developed countries do not have even this chance...

ciao
Hans    Germany


loneroc schrieb:

> I can deal with someone pulling the wings off of flies, having 
> poisoned plenty myself.  I can deal with folks who quickly kill 
> animals and eat them--I am not a vegetarian.  But this guy is a cruel, 
> greedy bastard--like the farmers around here who stuff 10,000 hogs 
> into a small barn like wall-to-wall pork carpeting. Like logging 
> companies who strip-mine vast mountainsides of trees:  it's cheaper 
> that way, you know, it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to 
> timber selectively or sustainably.  Oooo, it costs me so much money to 
> treat waste water before dumping it!  Why do I have to pay minimum 
> wage?  Maybe slaves are cheaper in the long run.  Since this guy has 
> to export to Europe or the US to survive, I'd say protests and 
> boycotts of any fruit distributor who EVER buys another apple from 
> this guy again would be the free market solution.  Starlings would be 
> the least of his economic nightmares.  Spread the word:-)
>  
> loneroc

He blew up not only the birds, but the trees, everything else living in 
them, and anything and everything else that happened to wander by at the 
wrong moment.

He also left hundreds of wounded birds, and probably other animals, 
scattered around his neighbors' properties.

I have certainly been frustrated by pests; but I have no trouble at all 
deciding where I stand on this behaviour.

--Rivka
Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly

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>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Thomas Olenio <mailto:tolenio@sentex.net>
>     *To:* 'North American Fruit Explorers'
>     <mailto:nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2007 2:13 PM
>     *Subject:* [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?
>
>     Hi,
>
>      
>
>     Here is a fellow with real pest problems.  Claims they cost him
>     $300,000 last year in lost crops.
>
>      
>
>     * Massive explosion leaves thousands of birds dead *
>
>     ** An orchardist who regularly mounts attacks on roosting
>     starlings has allegedly left thousands of birds dead and dying
>     after commissioning a bird bomb for his latest effort. **
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene _1
>     <http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene_1>
>
>      
>
>     Having been frustrated by pests myself it is hard to decide where
>     I stand on his actions.
>
>      
>
>     Later,
>
>     Tom
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