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[Michael Nave <jmichaelnave@yahoo.com>]

People really don't value the production of food
anymore. Even when I was a child we valued oranges in
the winter because that was the only time of the year
you could get oranges in most of the US. Now you can
get oranges even in North Dakota any month of the
year.

Conversely, people really do value NASCAR and Beyonce
and Brittany. Everyday life has become too easy so
that people put value into entertainment rather than
the basics of food production.


--- Mark & Helen Angermayer <hangermayer@isp.com>
wrote:

> I think Tom hit it.  Food is too cheap.  Isn't it
> strange we spend more on
> housing or transportation than food?  I suspect most
> hobbyists who
> garden/grow fruit like it for it's own sake.
> 
> Mark
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Olenio" <>
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'"
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] NNGA membership declines
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Well...  I bet people are just getting further
> away from the land, farming
> > and gardening all the time, due to changes in
> society and demands of time
> > and work.
> >
> > There is little time being made for things they
> can buy for pennies, nor
> > little knowledge that better varieties exist
> outside the supermarket, that
> > do not meet the demands of market farming.
> >
> > Let's face it...  The most delicious fruit/nut in
> the world will never be
> > tasted by the masses unless; it can be picked
> green, ships well, stores
> > well, has perfect eye appeal, and can be grown
> with little
> cost/maintenance.
> >
> >
> > Your average "Joe consumer" has no knowledge of
> these considerations, or
> > that they can produce better fruits/nuts
> themselves.
> >
> > This shift does not diminish the importance of
> NAFEX and similar groups;
> it
> > simply makes them more important.  Much like the
> crop gene banks; the
> masses
> > never think about them, but they are critical to
> biodiversity and
> improving
> > crops.
> >
> > Later,
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael Nave
> > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:19 AM
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] NNGA membership declines
> >
> > I've been an NNGA member for about 16 years. My
> > impression is that the older folks are dying off,
> and
> > more importantly, not being replaced by younger
> folks.
> > Interest in nut trees definitely seems to be in a
> > decline in the US right now. Membership in the
> > American Chestnut Foundation has increased but I
> think
> > many of the ACF members are not active nut growers
> > anyway. They like the romance of the story of the
> > American chestnut and the attempts to bring it
> back.
> >
> > It's not that there are other ways to meet kindred
> > souls. There simply aren't that many kindred souls
> to
> > meet. Oddly, there are probably more chestnut and
> > pecan growers now than there have been in many
> years,
> > but many of them really aren't interested in nut
> trees
> > as a discussion topic. They are simply interested
> in
> > growing nut trees as a way to make money. Many
> newer
> > chestnut growers in the west for example just
> plant
> > orchards of Colossal chestnuts as a way to make an
> > easy buck. They actually know nothing about
> chestnuts
> > and have no interest in discussing chestnuts
> unless
> > the discussion involves a way to make more money.
> They
> > have no love of nut trees at all.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Donna &/or Kieran <holycow@cookeville.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I guess you can tell business is slow for me
> today.
> > > I finally joined NNGA
> > > last year and finally got our address problem
> > > corrected so got my long
> > > awaited and long anticipated first NUTSHELL. 
> What a
> > > disappointment, very
> > > thin reading.  Then I read that their membership
> has
> > > declined to only 600,
> > > only about 1/4 of what it has been in the past.
> > > Anyone know why?  I assume
> > > it's the old guys dying off.  Could it be that
> the
> > > internet and things like
> > > Gardenweb as another way to meet kindred souls
> have
> > > added to the decline?
> > > I do find that the antique rose group contains
> > > knowlegeable people, but
> > > other forums tend to involve a lot of very naive
> > > beginners.
> > >     I am concerned because I had assumed that
> I'd be
> > > able to track down some
> > > old friend of Cecil Farris who would have his
> hazels
> > > in their backyard.  ( I
> > > do hear that Corvallis has his stuff)  Also I
> want
> > > to find the info on Fox
> > > and Davis shagbarks, which was compatible with
> > > mockernut, which with pignut,
> > > so I'd know which one I have and try the other
> one
> > > again.( I do try to keep
> > > decent notes on what I do and decent labels, but
> > > failed on these)   Lucky
> > > says I didn't get them from him and they're not
> on
> > > his list of what Ted
> > > Danieki has, so I have no idea who I ordered
> them
> > > from some 9-10 years ago.
> > > I know there is a big overlap of membership
> between
> > > the 2 organizations, so
> > > maybe you all know something about what has been
> > > happening with them.
> > > Donna
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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