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  • From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
  • To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Aronia x Sorbus ; Sorbus domestica
  • Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:46:47 +0100

Hallo Matt,
in general all the Aronia x Sorbus x Hybrids are 2 to 5m tall.
All berries looking more like Sorbus berries, but each have different size,
color, juice and taste.
Edible Sorbus aucuparia like e.g. Konzentra or Rossina or Klosterneuburg
are important e.g for marmalade production in Europe since a long time.

Aronia x Sorbus hybrids fruits are at http://www.biotaimi.fi/
Then go to Pihlaja and finally to Pihlaja kasvatus-ja hoito - ohje
Information after clicking the first Pihlaja photo.

Nice page about Shipova : http://www.ars-grin.gov/cor/cool/sorbo.html

Do you know Sorbus domestica? It has 2 - 3 cm apple- or pear-shape fruits.
Some old trees in Germany have logs of more than 1 m in diameter.
The wood is one of the most highly priced wood in Germany.
Fruits are a must for the apple-wine-production.
We have some cultivars in Germany.

Ciao
hans


Matt Demmon schrieb:
Hans, do you have any information or your own observations on the
fruit and growth habit of these hybrids? I'm fascinated by shipova and
all these other crosses you mention. I'd like to know more!

-matt

michigan zone 5

On 1/3/07, hans brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de> wrote:
Hallo,

let me add some information about Aronia:

Aronia and Aronia hybrids are very hardy plants.

Michurin from Russia made many crosses and recognised

the exceptional hardiness.

The following hybrids are growing well in Finnland cold zone 4:



Titaan 'Burka' x Malus sp. x Pyrus sp.

Granatnaja Sorbus aucuparia x Crataegus sanguinea

Likjornaja Sorbus aucuparia x Aronia melanocarpa

Burka Sorbus aucuparia x [Sorbus aria x Aronia arbutifolia]

Dessertnaja 'Likjornaja' x Mespilus germanica

Rubinovaja Sorbus acuparia x Pyrus communis

Krassavitsa Sorbus acuparia x Pyrus communis

Eliit Sorbus aucuparia x Pyrus sp.

Zoltaja Sorbus aucuparia x Pyrus sp



1971 Siberia has had 40.000.000m² with Aronia production.

Aronia is considered as a medical plant and will be more used in the

juice-industry. High Anthocyane-, Vitamin C- and sugar-content.

Dye for food and textile.

Usually not eaten fresh - like many other wild fruits.

Grafted usually on Sorbus aucuparia. and also on Crataegus,

but weaker growth.



I am growing the first 5 hybrids (and others) in Germany.

The other mentioned, I am still looking for.



Hans Brinkmann

Germany, Cold Zone 6







----- Original Message -----
From: "John Smith" <friendly27sw@yahoo.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] aronia as a rootstock?


HAs anyone tried grafting pears onto Aronia for
dwarfing characteristics? After seeing that a nusery
was selling dwarf shipova on Aronia, I budded some
pears on Aronia last summer, the buds took, so will
see what happens... It appears at the very least that
suckering would be quite a problem.

--- S & E Hills <ehills7408@wowway.com> wrote:

There are also black currant juices available. I
like the Looza brand, I
mix it with ginger ale and it helped me kick
drinking years ago.

Currants are also among the easiest plants to
propagate (at least for me).
Cuttings root easily and the plants will bear fruit
the next season.

S. Hills

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
Of Thomas Olenio
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM
To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] aronia

It was written;

It's interesting that you mention black currants,
because I didn't plant
any of those (except for the native species, the
clove or buffalo
currant) due to the almost universal description
that they would not
appeal to "American tastes." When it comes to food,
I eat - and I enjoy
- just about anything, but there's no sense in
planting fruit that's not
especially tasty when there's so much fruit that IS.

=====
Hello,

I have a Red Lake (red currant) in my backyard. If
you are familiar with
Skittles candy you get an idea of taste.

I pointed them out to two boys who were "hungry!"
and wanted candy, telling
them they tasted like Skittles. They ate their fill
and enjoyed them. One
was a Canadian boy, the other an American boy.

Add a little sugar whether by juice, pastry, or
bread and they are very good
in many forms. If you like a cranberry muffin, you
will like a red currant
muffin.

You will find Crandall, Clove, and Buffalo currant
similar in taste to red
currants. These varieties do not have the
"spiciness" of true black
currants.

You can buy black currant flavored tea bags in most
large markets. If you
want to experience the spiciness of black currants
you will find it in these
teas.

Later,
Tom

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