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[Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>]

Hallo Matt,
in general all the Aronia x Sorbus x Hybrids are 2 to 5m tall.
All berries looking more like Sorbus berries, but each have different size,
color, juice and taste.
Edible Sorbus aucuparia  like  e.g. Konzentra or  Rossina or Klosterneuburg
are important e.g for marmalade production in Europe since a long time.

Aronia x Sorbus hybrids fruits are at   http://www.biotaimi.fi/
Then go to Pihlaja and finally to Pihlaja kasvatus-ja hoito - ohje
Information after clicking the first Pihlaja photo.

Nice page about Shipova : http://www.ars-grin.gov/cor/cool/sorbo.html

Do you know Sorbus domestica? It has 2 - 3 cm apple- or pear-shape fruits.
Some old trees in Germany have logs of more than 1 m in diameter.
The wood is one of the most highly priced wood in Germany.
Fruits are a must for the apple-wine-production.
We have some cultivars in Germany.

Ciao
hans


Matt Demmon schrieb:
> Hans, do you have any information or your own observations on the
> fruit and growth habit of these hybrids? I'm fascinated by shipova and
> all these other crosses you mention. I'd like to know more!
>
> -matt
>
> michigan zone 5
>
> On 1/3/07, hans brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>   
> > Hallo,
> >
> > let me add some information about Aronia:
> >
> > Aronia and Aronia hybrids are very hardy plants.
> >
> > Michurin from Russia made many crosses and recognised
> >
> > the exceptional hardiness.
> >
> > The following hybrids are growing well in Finnland cold zone 4:
> >
> >
> >
> > Titaan         'Burka' x Malus sp. x Pyrus sp.
> >
> > Granatnaja  Sorbus aucuparia x Crataegus sanguinea
> >
> > Likjornaja   Sorbus aucuparia x Aronia melanocarpa
> >
> > Burka          Sorbus aucuparia x [Sorbus aria x Aronia arbutifolia]
> >
> > Dessertnaja 'Likjornaja' x Mespilus germanica
> >
> > Rubinovaja  Sorbus acuparia x Pyrus communis
> >
> > Krassavitsa  Sorbus acuparia x Pyrus communis
> >
> > Eliit              Sorbus aucuparia x Pyrus sp.
> >
> > Zoltaja         Sorbus aucuparia x Pyrus sp
> >
> >
> >
> > 1971 Siberia has had 40.000.000m² with Aronia production.
> >
> > Aronia is considered as a medical plant and will be more used in the
> >
> > juice-industry. High Anthocyane-, Vitamin C- and sugar-content.
> >
> > Dye for food and textile.
> >
> > Usually not eaten fresh - like many other wild fruits.
> >
> > Grafted usually on Sorbus aucuparia. and also on Crataegus,
> >
> > but weaker growth.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am growing the first 5 hybrids (and others) in Germany.
> >
> > The other mentioned, I am still looking for.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans Brinkmann
> >
> > Germany, Cold Zone 6
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Smith" <friendly27sw@yahoo.com>
> > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:59 PM
> > Subject: [NAFEX] aronia as a rootstock?
> >
> >
> >     
> > > HAs anyone tried grafting pears onto Aronia for
> > > dwarfing characteristics?  After seeing that a nusery
> > > was selling dwarf shipova on Aronia, I budded some
> > > pears on Aronia last summer, the buds took, so will
> > > see what happens...  It appears at the very least that
> > > suckering would be quite a problem.
> > >
> > > --- S & E Hills <ehills7408@wowway.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >       
> > > > There are also black currant juices available.  I
> > > > like the Looza brand, I
> > > > mix it with ginger ale and it helped me kick
> > > > drinking years ago.
> > > >
> > > > Currants are also among the easiest plants to
> > > > propagate (at least for me).
> > > > Cuttings root easily and the plants will bear fruit
> > > > the next season.
> > > >
> > > > S. Hills
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> > > > Of Thomas Olenio
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM
> > > > To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> > > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] aronia
> > > >
> > > > It was written;
> > > >
> > > > It's interesting that you mention black currants,
> > > > because I didn't plant
> > > > any of those (except for the native species, the
> > > > clove or buffalo
> > > > currant) due to the almost universal description
> > > > that they would not
> > > > appeal to "American tastes." When it comes to food,
> > > > I eat - and I enjoy
> > > > - just about anything, but there's no sense in
> > > > planting fruit that's not
> > > > especially tasty when there's so much fruit that IS.
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I have a Red Lake (red currant) in my backyard.  If
> > > > you are familiar with
> > > > Skittles candy you get an idea of taste.
> > > >
> > > > I pointed them out to two boys who were "hungry!"
> > > > and wanted candy, telling
> > > > them they tasted like Skittles.  They ate their fill
> > > > and enjoyed them.  One
> > > > was a Canadian boy, the other an American boy.
> > > >
> > > > Add a little sugar whether by juice, pastry, or
> > > > bread and they are very good
> > > > in many forms.  If you like a cranberry muffin, you
> > > > will like a red currant
> > > > muffin.
> > > >
> > > > You will find Crandall, Clove, and Buffalo currant
> > > > similar in taste to red
> > > > currants.  These varieties do not have the
> > > > "spiciness" of true black
> > > > currants.
> > > >
> > > > You can buy black currant flavored tea bags in most
> > > > large markets.  If you
> > > > want to experience the spiciness of black currants
> > > > you will find it in these
> > > > teas.
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > > Tom
> > > >
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