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[Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hello,

Do not forget how well "low tech" crushing and pressing works, and the 
equipment can be made at
home with a plastic pail.

No water added, no heat added and the juice is great, albeit a little more 
work.

If you want to see the plans for a small homemade press, using simple 
materials see this web page;

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/scrumpy/cider/press1.htm

It claims to be a cider press, but you can press anything with it.

Later,
Tom

Richard O'Barr wrote:

> With all of that juicing and jellying, I hope you have a steamer juicer
> which adds very little water to the juice and is oh so good!!
>
> Topgun
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Corporate farms
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Canning fruit and vegetables is very inexpensive, a fraction of retail
> prices.  Then there is also
> > the satisfaction that comes with doing it, much like the satisfaction of
> growing the fruit and
> > vegetables.
> >
> > Personally, I re-use canning lids, and they usually last a number of times
> before they need to be
> > tossed.
> >
> > My inlaws run a dairy farm and drink the raw milk on a regular basis.
> However, they are reluctant
> > to serve raw milk to my family, as we did not grow up on it (their immune
> systems are better for
> > it).
> >
> > But we eat/can/freeze as much meat, fruit and vegetables as we can off the
> farm.  Saves a bundle
> > $$.
> >
> > More than worth the effort.
> >
> > Later,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > Naomi wrote:
> >
> > > About the costs of canning:
> > > When you can you do not need new rings, you need new lids.  These are
> sold
> > > in a box of 12 for a $1.  So you put in your own produce. Sugar,
> Vinegar,
> > > Spices, salt and Heat. I would not expect your yearly cost for canning
> to be
> > > above $.25 a quart jar.  The jars themselves go for about$.50 and get
> reused
> > > for years.
> > >
> > > My canning starts with the seeds I select in spring.  I fertilize the
> plants
> > > with the help of my donkeys, goats and chickens.  I pick when the
> produce
> > > seems ready and I process within hours. I like to make jams of wild
> > > combinations of whatever is ripe at the moment and I use absolutely no
> > > water. Jam is about how much fruit I can stick in there, no stretchers.
> > >
> > > Pickles! I love pickles.  I can buy a gallon of vinegar for $2 and a 25
> > > pound sack of sugar for $8.  With a couple of dollars worth of pickling
> lime
> > > I can make $14 quarts of the sweet pickles my son likes and still have
> at
> > > least 15 pounds of sugar left over.  Can you buy $14 quarts of pickles
> for
> > > $6 or $7?
> > >
> > > I can make fermented pickles and sauerkraut with just produce and salt.
> > >
> > > I know how to make my own corned beef. I got the recipe off the internet
> but
> > > it came from the deli 6 blocks away from where I grew up in Louisville
> > > Kentucky.
> > >
> > > And yes, selling milk for human consumption is legally ridiculous.  But
> > > there are people who solemnly swear that they are going to feed their
> pets
> > > goat milk and goat cheese.
> > >
> > > You see, I am a city person.  I grew up with cans from the store and a
> cat
> > > was the biggest animal we ever had at our house.  I learned how to do
> these
> > > things because I chose to do them.  It is lifestyle as I said before.
> > >
> > > Quite some time ago I was reading an article in FORTUNE MAGAZINE.  The
> > > author was describing hanging off the side of a mountain, cold, wet,
> > > tired...he said to himself, "Is this something I would do for ANY amount
> of
> > > money?  NO! There fore I must be on my vacation and I must be having a
> good
> > > time."  Well, I am not on a vacation but I am having a good time because
> I
> > > sure would not do this for money.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Bruce & Joyce
> > > Caldwell
> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:29 PM
> > > To: mrtejas@lycos.com; North American Fruit Explorers
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Corporate farms
> > >
> > > >>The myth of the small farm died in the 1930s after tractors became
> widely
> > > used.  You might be suprised that the average farmer...<<
> > >
> > > It isn't suprizing that most families don't have a cow these days. A
> good
> > > milk cow will give gallons of milk daily, some over seven gallons a
> day.Not
> > > many farms can use that much themselves, but it is almost totally
> illegal to
> > > sell milk for human consumption. You are supposed to be certified, which
> > > costs a bundle. Then there is the issue of working seven days a week
> while
> > > the cows are lactating. Health maintenance expences, breeding fees... It
> is
> > > expensive to mantain one cow, and not likely to be sustainable, let
> alone
> > > profitable.
> > >
> > > Can your own vegetables you say? It costs less to buy a can of most
> > > vegetables than it costs to buy the rings for canning. Then there is the
> > > equipment, the jars, and have you checked out the cost of fuel for the
> > > stove? You can't compete with the commercial producers that way!
> > >
> > > Personally, I would like ot produce all my own food, but you have to be
> > > realistic about it, and few people today have the interest to resurect
> the
> > > old ways, like root cellaring, cold frames, ice houses, etc.
> > >
> > > Our government is doing all it can to support those big commercial
> farmers,
> > > to the direct harm of the shall family farm. It isn't just about wages.
> Just
> > > having to file farm taxes is a nightmare for an individual with a small
> farm
> > > income. If the big guys had to spend a proprtionate amount of resources
> on
> > > the paperwork, they might well go out of business too.
> > >
> > > Joyce
> > >
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