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  • From: Victor Patterson <vsp@flash.net>
  • To: Sgroppino Farms <sgroppino@sgroppino.com>, North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pawpaws
  • Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:17:56 -0600

John:
I have had pawpaws (15 trees) for about 10 years and was forced to
plant them close together. I have three different types from the large
triloba to the dwarf. I am not able to smell any foul odor unless get I
my nose very close to one of the flowers. I must admit that my sense of
smell is not as good as it once was but my wife has not complained and
her sense of smell is very good. My trees are of southern heritage,
seeds that I collected from wild groves and are grown near Houston,
Texas.

> Sgroppino Farms wrote:
>
> Are there any folks on the list who've been successful growing Pawpaws
> in colder climates (Zone 5)? There was an interesting discussion
> about these fruits on NPR earlier today and I'm interested in at least
> trying a few plants up here in coastal Maine. The thing that concerns
> me most is that the flowers reputedly smell awful and need to be
> pollinated by carrion flies, which may require nailing a dead possum
> (or the equivalent) to a nearby tree to attract them. How bad IS the
> smell when they're in bloom? Is it bad enough that Pawpaw trees
> should simply not be planted near one's house? What's a safe
> distance?
>
> Any/all feedback appreciated.
>
> John
>
> * * * * *
>
> John A Gasbarre
> Sgroppino Farms
> Vinalhaven Island, Maine
> sgroppino@sgroppino.cmo
> USDA Zone 5
>
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] pruning/training apples
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Thanks, everyone. What I really need is a lesson on the theory of=20
apple pruning like Lon gives for grapes in his book. :)

I'll have to think about it. I've decided my goals are different from=20=

those of a commercial grower. for example, I want a tree that doesn't=20=

need support, that has a large portion of it's foliage and fruit above=20=

the "deer line" and that children can climb. (I'd also prefer it=20
doesn't get TOO big.) If this doesn't maximize fruit production,=20
that's okay. (Although I obviously want fruit, too.) I will consider=20=

an open structure, rather than a central leader.

On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 12:31 PM, Thomas Olenio wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I can only say that is what the horticulturist at the arboretum was=20
> teaching.
>
> Having a strong tree structure with good laterals would seem to make=20=

> sense whether the tree was 8 feet tall or 20 feet
> tall.
>
> My guess is that all training systems would have that as a basis, and=20=

> opinions will vary on how best to achieve it.
>
> However, you have to go with the tree you have.
>
> A commercial orchard would yank a tree that did not conform to their=20=

> pruning system. A hobbyists can allow the tree to
> dictate the system applied. If a tree does not have a strong central=20=

> leader, does the French Ax make sense for it?
>
> Ginda indicated her tree had a flimsy central leader. She could fight=20=

> the inclination of the tree or go with it,
> finding the best training system for a tree with that particular=20
> inclination.
>
> I would not want anyone to think that Kock's approach is the only=20
> approach. He did stress that you should look at the
> tree, and go with the inclination of the tree, and not fight it.
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
> Mauch1@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> The advise you were given seems to counter the comercial methods now=20=

>> currently in vogue (and is the way I'm tending
>> to aim my own current pruning):
>>
>> http://tfpg.cas.psu.edu/french_axe/slide1.htm
>>
>> also
>>
>> http://tfpg.cas.psu.edu/apple_trellis/introduction.htm
>>
>> Chris Mauchline
>> SE PA, zone 6
>> 40=B0 5' N 75=B0 51'W
>> ~650 ft elevation
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