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  • From: "philip sauber" <mrxtexas@lycos.com>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] Another new member suggestion
  • Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:28:28 -0600

Anyone considered moving the list to Yahoo groups. I find Yahoo groups
easier to navigate. Also I can check Yahoo groups for posts without
receiving e-mail.


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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] MN 447
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Hi Betty,

The University of Minnesota has numbered over 2000 fruits for further
evaluation. MN447 is a decades old plant. Given the excellent record they
have of contributing new cold hardy fruits I wouldn't begrudge them the
choice of what to select for introduction. One can't introduce them all!

Although the U of MN hasn't introduced the MN447 apple, it is widely
available among NAFEXers. I purchased a whip from Bear Creek several years
ago, but have since grafted it on a seedling. My assumption is that I'll
want a lot more than a Bud 9 will bear for me. From the sound of peoples
evaluations on this list, the apple has a very narrow latitudinal band for
successful culture, and if that's true, would be a poor candidate for
commercial introduction in any case.

Steve Herje, Lone Rock, WI USDA Zone 3


----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty Mayfield" <bmayfield@columbia-center.org>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] MN 447


> To the list,
>
> Although I don't have any knowledge of the MN 447 apple, this apparent
> attitude of the University of Minnesota disturbs me.
>
> Some of you have said you like the apple, some don't, but according to
> David Bedford "they thought it was too strongly flavored for most people"
> and won't name it. Apparently they have no plans to distribute it either.
>
> It seems to me that a university has a moral if not a legal obligation to
> make the results of its research available to the public and not act as a
> censor of public taste. Otherwise this knowledge and variety could be
lost.
>
> Or have I misunderstood, and is the university planning to market the
apple
> variety on its own to generate income?
>
> Betty Mayfield
>
> At 10:39 AM 3/5/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Lucky,
> >
> >I received scionwood of MN 447 from David Bedford (U Minnesota) a few
years
> >ago and fruited it for the first year in 2002. I liked it very much. I
like
> >flavorful apples. It has one of the most unusual flavors I've ever
tasted
> >in an apple. One friend who also tried it said immediately it tasted
like
> >sugar cane. He's from Cape Verde. I've never tasted sugar cane, but I
> >would say that I could taste molasses.
> >
> >I don't believe U Minn has any plans to name 447. As I recall, David
said
> >that they thought it was too strongly flavored for most people. I signed
a
> >non-propagation agreement before I received wood. I don't know how well
set
> >up the University is for scion distribution. I have a bit of wood I
could
> >send out as long as David gave me permission-which might include
submitting
> >a non-prop agreement to the University.
> >
> >If you like strongly flavored apples, I suggest you try King David,
Sutton,
> >Newtown Spitzenburg, and Milo Gibson.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >John Bunker
> >Fedco Palermo ME where it's snowing again.
> >
> >
> >
> >on 3/4/03 1:18 PM, Lucky Pittman at lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > > I've been seeing recent references to this apple(MN 447) over on the
> > > Gardenweb Forums, referenced as one of the parents of Keepsake and
Sweet
> > > 16, with glowing references to its flavor.
> > >
> > > Anybody on the list fruiting it in their orchard, or can anyone
comment
> > on it?
> > >
> > >
> > > Lucky Pittman
> > > USDA Zone 6
> > > Hopkinsville, KY
> > >
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