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[hector black <hblack@twlakes.net>]

I used Roundup on weeds about mid summer 8 years ago.  There were some crab
apples with branches about 1 foot off the ground where the weeds were.  I
tried to be careful and avoid the branches or have any spray drift to them.
These lower branches which could only have been barely touched by the
Roundup,  put out very deformed leaves  for the following two years.  I have
not used it since.   Hector Black  zone 6, TN
    I might also mention that as a kid - maybe 8, 9 years - I was very
susceptible.  Some other kids told me that if I ate it, I'd become immune.
So I sat down beside it and ate quite a bit - got a horrible reaction with
swelled lips and all, and I still get poison ivy.   Although less easily as
I get older.  Perhaps the small amount at a time, to build up immunity would
work.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Franc <franc@oregonfast.net>
To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Re: Killing Poison Ivy


> My understanding is tha Roundup biodegrades rapidly after it is mixed with
water.
> If you leave some in the sprayer all mixed for a few days you will find it
does not work anymore.
> A normal spraying of 2-4-D washes into the soil and will migrate within
the soil over a long period of time, but tests have shown that it moves very
slowly and in a normal soil (not sand) it will be many years before any
shows up in the water table.
> Sam
>
> Mauch1@aol.com wrote:
>
> > >The best medicine is
> > >2,4-D applied when the plants are fully leafed out, and it >will have
to
> > >be done more than once, perhaps in successive seasons.  >Oddly enough,
> > >2,4-D is more effective than the much pricier glyphosate
> > >(Roundup) at
> > >eliminating p.i.
> > I agree that Roundup is only moderately effective against p.i.
> > One question that bounces around in my head is what happens after you
spray?  Does the 2,4-D wash into streams or water table?  I remember when
Roundup first came up it was supposed to "bind to the soil particles", this
doesn't make me overly comfortable, but perhaps it prevents it from washing
into streams or the water table.
> >
> > 2,4-D is highly toxic to grapes, and it can, under certain atmospheric
conditions be "reabsorbed" into air and drift (I'm not talking about wind
driven drift at the time of spraying).  Since it is a broad-leafed weed
killer, it has been popular for corn.
>
> Whlie our FDA does not monitor it, the European medical community has been
using oral imunization methods for years now.
>
>
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